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GlitterBaby Report 22 Mar 2012 22:24

Is this connected ?

Name: Sarah Luscombe
Probate Date: 14 Sep 1897
Death Date: 20 Jul 1897
Death Place: Plymouth, Devon, England
Registry: London

Sarah Luscombe of Clarham nr Plymouth, widow, died 20 July 1897
Probate London 14 Sept 1897 to John Winsor Sampson congregational minster, Joh Walter Wilson, solicitor and George Henry Eccles, Surgeon
Effects £10,125 4s 4d

Chris :)


edits

27 November 1852 - Hampshire Telegraph - Portsmouth, Hampshire

Marriage
On the 19th instant, at Christ Church, Plymouth, William Oakes, Esq., of. Hatch-court, Somerset, to. Sarah, second daughter of Captain Monday, R. N., Plymouth.


30 November 1852 - Sherborne Mercury - Sherborne, Dorset, England

Nov. 19, the Rev. T. G. Postlewaite, at Christ Church, Plymouth, William Oakes, Esq., of Hatch-court, Somerset, and of Shirland-house, Derby, to Sarah, second daughter of Capt. Monday, R.N., Plymouth.


12 September 1855 - Derby Mercury - Derby, Derbyshire, England

Death
On Sunday 2nd (in Devonshire street, London, where lie had gone for the benefit of his health), after a few months illness, which he bore with Christian fortitude, William Oakes Esq., aged 68, of Hatch Court, near Taunton, Somerset, and Shirland House, Derbyshire, deeply beloved and deeply lamented by his widow, who mourns her irreparable loss. Was much esteemed by his relatives and friends.


Deaths Sep 1855 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------
Oakes William Marylebone 1a 234


Burial
County Somerset
Place Hatch Beauchamp
Church name St John the Baptist
Register type Bishop's Transcripts
Register entry number 223
Burial date 13 Sep 1855
Person age 65
Burial person forename William
Burial person surname OAKES
Burial person abode Hatch Beauchamp
Register note born C 1790

http://www.freereg.org.uk/


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D42629

(his Will on above, should also be online Ancestry)


03 September 1858 - Royal Cornwall Gazette - Truro, Cornwall, England

Marriage
On the 24th ult., at Charles Church, Plymouth, William Luscombe Esq., his Netherlands Majesty's Vice Consul at Plymouth, to Sarah, second daughter of Admiral Monday, and relict of William Oakes, Esq., late of Hatch Court, Somerset-shire, and Shirland House, Derbyshire.


(below relate)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/22419/page/3257/data.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/jgu2znn



(Oh Dear!, above seems repeated, and Probate details already given by myself!)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1295493?d=asc


SylviaInCanada Report 23 Mar 2012 04:26

there is another thread on the Monday "girls"

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1295486


This is from that thread

Groom's Forenames:William
Groom's Surname:Oakes
Groom's Age:
Groom's parish:
Event Year:1852 Event Month:Nov Event Day:19
Bride's Forenames:Sarah
Bride's Surname:Monday
Bride's Age:
Bride's Parish:
Place:Plymouth
Parish:Christchurch
County:Devon
Page:25
Groom's Father's Forenames:Daniel
Groom's Father's Surname:Woolhouse
Bride's Father's Forenames:John
Bride's Father's Surname:Monday



Sheila ... it might have been better to have added this to that other thread, as the only reason you are looking for him is because of his marriage to Sarah Monday.

Otherwise, you are likely to have other helpers looking for the same information as has already been posted.

sylvia

????? a possible birth for Mary Oakes?????????

London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812

Name: Mary Oakes
Baptism Date: 11 Jul 1774
Parish: St Sepulchre, Holborn
County: London
Borough: City of London
Parent(s): Richard Oakes,
Elizabeth Oakes
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register


no further image on the Register

haven't been able to find any children though!!


Mary was about 15 years older than William, so maybe she couldn't have any??


It will take more digging to be certain, I think!

???????????????????

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: William Woolhouse Esq
Spouse: Mary Oakes
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Oct 1827
Parish: Parish Chapel, St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Register

from image:-

William:-
Of the Parish of Edwinstone (??) in the Copunty of Nottinghamshire
Bachelor

Mary:-
Of This Parish
Spinster

Married by Licence

can't read the names of the witnesses


For some reason, William must have changed his name to Oakes ............ maybe she was wealthy, and could only keep the inheritance if she kept the name Oakes????????????

as William Oakes said his father was called Daniel Woolhouse ...........

????????????

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: William Woolhouse
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 Nov 1787
Baptism Place: Kirton,Nottingham,England
Father: Daniel Woolhouse
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 0462987 EXTRACTS, 503503, 504519


There isn't an image to check



from a tree on ancestry


Daniel Woolhouse

1755–

Birth ABT 1755 • Nottinghamshire, England

Death Unknown

Parents Unknown

Spouse

Sarah Weightman 1757–

Children
Elizabeth Woolhouse 1779–
Sarah Woolhouse 1782–
John Woolhouse 1784–
William Woolhouse 1787–
Daniel Woolhouse 1790–
Mary Woolhouse 1792–
Edmund Woolhouse 1795–



I wonder if William changed his name from Woolhouse to Oakes for some reason?????????????

By googling, I discovered that you had had a thread on William Oakes and Sarah Monday in 2012

Anyway, here is the 1841 Census with William and someone called Mary ............. who could be William's wife

1841 Census

Name: William Oakes
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Hatch Beauchamp
Hundred: Abdick and Bulstone
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Taunton
Sub-registration district: North Curry

Piece: 929
Book: 18
Folio: 7
Page Number: 10

William Oakes 50 Independent
Mary Oakes 65

and about 8 or 10 Servants, including Henry Hardstaff ........ but the iamge is very faint and hard to read.


This could be Mary Oakes death ............ Taunton is the Registration District that includes Pitminster where Hatch Beauchamp


Deaths Mar 1848 (>99%)
Oakes Mary Taunton 10 378


from FMP


Somerset Monumental Inscriptions Transcription

First name(s) MARY
Last name OAKES
Birth year 1772
Death year 1848
Death day 28
Death month Jan
Age 76
Dedication St John the Baptist
Place HATCH BEAUCHAMP
Type of memorial Marble Tablet
County Somerset
Country England
Notes In her 77th year. Wife of William.
Reference 22
Record set Somerset Monumental Inscriptions
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from United Kingdom

As far as the Capt's: advance to Rear and Vice Admiral (Sorry I don't know in which order they come) . In Johns case I think it can possibly be attributed to the ships & personal he served with :-)

Here's William Oakes in 1851

1851 Census

Name: William Oakes
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1787
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Hatch Beauchamp
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Taunton
Sub-registration district: Pitminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 2

Household schedule number: 5
Piece: 1922
Folio: 204
Page Number: 2

William Oakes 64 Widower, Landed Proprietor
Henry Hardotaff 50 b.ca 1801, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, Servant
[Henry Hardstaff]
Elizabeth Hardotaff 33 Wife (of henry??), Servant
Mary Hardotaff 18
Catharine Hardotaff 16
Jane Hardotaff 5
William Hardotaff 3
Henry Smith 16
Mary Whitting 26
Caroline Mead 26
Hannah Aplin 26

Address:- Hatch Court

Everyone over the age of 16 is shown as "Servant"

Sorry for the delay of thanking you ,Thank helps a great deal . I now know that Sarah could not have had children (poor lady),

Once again Thanks x :-)

I googled William Oakes diied 1855 .... and got several hits.

You might be interested in the following link ........

https://victorianprofessions.wordpress.com/tag/william-oakes/

Title-
William Oakes
Faith and fortune maketh the man…or, the butler did it.

Robert Addison Watson (b.1847. Scarborough) was the son of a Wesleyan Minister, John Watson (b.1801. Hull) and his wife Anne (b.1812. Hickling, Nottinghamshire). Residing in Scarborough and Leeds initially, he was sent away to school in Chalcombe in Somerset. In the 1881 census he is recorded as a curate of St. Mary’s at Taunton, Somerset. He is married to Gertrude Oakes Hardstaff (b. 1858. Hatch Beauchamp, Somerset) – a young woman elevated by her father Henry’s significant change in fortune.

Methodist Henry Hardstaff was a man whose story could have been drawn from the pages of a Victorian novel. Born in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire in around 1802, only his mother’s name (Mary Hardstaff) was given on the record of his christening. Henry worked his way up the ranks of domestic servants to become the butler at Hatch Court, a substantial residence in Hatch Beauchamp, Somerset, where he served his master, William Oakes (b.1787. Kirton, Nottinghamshire) for many years.

William Oakes owned Hatch Court from 1838 until his death in 1855, aged 68. Hatch Court is a Bath-stone Palladian house built in 1750 by Thomas Prowse. Today it is Grade 1 listed and was valued at £3million back in 2000.* In his will he left his lands, tenements and estates to his much younger second wife Sarah (b.1820. Plymouth), unless that is she remarried. If she married again she would instead have £350 a year and the estate was to be given to Henry Hardstaff, his butler. Clearly widowhood didn’t suit her. Just three years later the Royal Cornwall Gazette (3 Sep 1858) reported that Sarah Oakes (now aged 41) had become Sarah Luscombe, wife of William Luscombe (b.1811. Plymouth), his Netherland’s Majesty’s Vice Consul. In 1861 they can be found living very well in Compton Hall, Plympton, Devon, accompanied by their housekeeper, lady’s maid, two servants and a footman. In addition to her £350 per annum, Sarah did get to keep the deer, horses, carriages, plate, jewels and furniture but these too were to pass to Henry Hardstaff on her death. The executor to the will of William Oakes – the person responsible for making sure this all happened – was Henry Hardstaff himself. When he died in 1872 his probate calendar entry indicates significant wealth with effects ‘under £45,000’i.e. around this figure.

------
Footnotes

* Hatch Court is a Bath-stone Palladian house built in 1750 by Thomas Prowse and is now a Grade 1 listed property. Advertised for sale in 2000*, it was priced at £3million and described as having 9 bedrooms, numerous bathrooms, dressing rooms and an orangery, along with 33 acres. Its TV credits include the BBC’s Sense and Sensibility. Hatch Court was sold by the Hardstaff family in 1899. A full description of can be found on the Images of England website: http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/Details/Default.aspx?id=270804 [Last accessed on 8/1/2015].

* http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/4809479/Good-sense-and-sensibility.html [Last accessed on 8/1/2015].



Useful links

TNA link to the will of William Oakes: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D42629 [Last accessed on 8/1/2015).

I've found out what the address for William Oakes was that was written on his marriage in the parish Register

Hatch Beauchamp, which is apparently in Somerset

This looks like his butial (from ancestry) .....

England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991

Name: William Oakes
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 13 Sep 1855
Burial Place: Hatch-Beauchamp, Somerset, England
FHL Film Number: 1526169
Reference ID: 28

This is another version of the transcript to the marriage of Sarah and William Luscombe posted by RR. It's from FMP, and this one also has an image of the Parish Register


Devon Marriages

First name(s) Sarah
Last name Oakes
Age
Birth year -
Marriage year 1858
Marriage date 24 Aug 1858
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Monday
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Luscombe
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Luscombe
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
County Devon
Record set Devon Marriages
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from United Kingdom

from image:-

William:-
Of Full Age
Widower
Occupation:- Merchant
Address:- 3 Princess Place
Father Occupation:- Merchant

Sarah:-
Of Full Age
Widow
No occupation shown
Address:- Compton Knowle
Father Occupation:- Admiral Retd.

Witnesses:- John Monday and ??Olivia?? S Monday



May I say that was pretty fast advancement from Captain on Half Pay in 1851, to Retired Admiral in 1858 :-D

who do you mean was in a forbidden relationship??

It was quite common then (and sometimes even much much later) for a wife to lose her inheritance from a first husband if she married a second time.

It might just be that William Oakes didn't have any children, and the Butler had served him well!

Sarah Monday apparently married William Oakes in 1852

from freebmd .........

Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)

Monday Sarah Plymouth 5b 489
OAKES William Plymouth 5b 489



1851 Census

Name: Sarah Monday
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Monday
Mother's name: Sarah Monday
Gender: Female
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Plymouth St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 1q

Household schedule number: 11
Piece: 1879
Folio: 499
Page Number: 3

John Monday 62 b.ca 1789, Ashburton, Devon, Captain Royal Navy, on half pay
Sarah Monday 58 b.ca 1793, Plymouth
Sarah Monday 30 Maintained by Parents
Fanney K Monday 22 b.ca 1829, Plymouth, Maintained by Parents
Elizabeth Pearse 36 Servant

Address:- 2 Oxford Street


Don't know if you have this ...............

from FMP

Devon Baptisms

First name(s) Sarah
Last name Monday
Birth year 1820
Birth date 31 May 1820
Baptism year 1820
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Father's first name(s) John
Father's occupation Lieut In R. Navy
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Residence Tavistock Street
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom




Devon Marriages

First name(s) Sarah
Last name Monday
Age -
Birth year -
Marriage year 1852
Marriage date 19 Nov 1852
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, Christchurch
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Monday
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Oakes
Spouse's father's first name(s) Daniel
Spouse's father's last name Woolhouse
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
County Devon
Record set Devon Marriages
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from United Kingdom

from image:-

William:-
Widower
Of Full Age
Profession:- Gentleman
Address:- ????WatchBeAuck(can't read rest)????
Father Profession:- Gentleman

Sarah:-
Of Full Age
Spinster
No Occupation shown
Address:- Christ Church
Father Occupation:- Captain R.N.

Witnesses:- John Monday and ??Ahxxx S Monday?????

Thank you that's great. Anything on William Oakes Esq ?? He seems a shadowy man . As he left all to his Butler If Sarah re-married , I wonder
if they were in a forbidden relationship?

I have checked the image on the 1861 Census posted by RR ...... it's from FindMyPast, and Luscombe IS a mis-transcription of Colwell


IGNORE ANY POSSIBILITY OF HER BEING RELATED TO WILLIAM!!!!

I think there is a mis-transcription on the 1861 Census that RR posted


This is ancestry's version of that 1861 Census .......... NO Elizabeth Luscombe. I checked on the image as well as on the transcribed record

1861 Census

Name: William Luscombe
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Luscombe
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Compton Gifford
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Plympton St Mary
Sub-registration district: Plympton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12

Household schedule number: 155
Piece: 1431
Folio: 83

William Luscombe 50
Sarah Luscombe 41
Elizth Colwell 47 House Keeper <<< this is the one with Luscombe in RR's post
Ann Gardner 36 Lady's Maid
Lavinia Frand 20 Servant
Susan Trethewey 17 Servant
Willm Templeman 20 Footman

Information on William from the 1861 Census ....

Vice Consul of ...... etc

In 1871 ........... he's shown as Merchant

1871 Census

Name: William Luscombe
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Luscombe
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Compton Gifford
Town: Compton Gifford
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Plympton St Mary
Sub-registration district: Plympton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 158
Piece: 2109
Folio: 75
Page Number: 38

William Luscombe 60 Merchant
Sarah Luscombe 50
Elizabeth Garkener 58 Housekeeper
Ann E Colwell 47 Domestic Servant
Louisa Hessay 19 Domestic Servant
Luke Oshaughasy 55 Coach Man
Edward Colton 14 Page

No children shown on the 1871 Census


and 1881

1881 Census

Name: William Luscombe
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah Luscombe
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Compton Gifford
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: Mannamead
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Justice Of The Peace (Other Local)
Registration district: Plympton St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 12

Piece: 2188
Folio: 29
Page Number: 10

William Luscombe 70
Sarah Luscombe 60
Elizabeth Gardener 70 House Keeper
Amelia Ledson 22 House Maid
Grace E. Waincott 16 Kitchen Maid
John Northmore 24 Footman



I haven't yet found him for certain in 1851 or 1841

Thank you Rambling Rose .Seeing Eliza Luscombe had the same surname
I wonder if she was related to William ?

just for ref

Devon Marriages Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s) William
Last name Luscombe
Marriage year 1858
Marriage date 24 Aug 1858
Parish Charles
Place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Oakes
Denomination Anglican
City or town Plymouth
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Record set Devon Marriages


?

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
...Hall, Higher Compton, Plympton St Mary, Devon, England

William Luscombe Head Married Male 50 1811 ... Plymouth, Devon, England Transcription
Sarah Luscombe Wife Married Female 41 1820 Wife Of... Plymouth, Devon, England
Elizh Luscombe Servant Unmarried Female 47 1814 House Keeper Devonport, Devon, England
Ann Gredon Servant Unmarried Female 36 1825 Ladies Maid Cornwall, England
Louisa Friend Servant Unmarried Female 20 1841 Servant Plymouth, Devon, England
Susan Tretheway Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 Servant Plymouth, Devon, England
Will Templeman Servant Unmarried Male 20 1841 Footman West Stoke, Somerset, England