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John .......

please look at your other thread, the one you started back in June

There have been some new postings on there.

(nudge)

Chris :)

there are 2 Elizabeth's in 1841


Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place St Martin, Essex, England
Residence Note Stockwell Street, West
Gender Female
Age 15-19
Age (Original) 15
Occupation Null
Birth Year (Estimated) 1822-1826
Birthplace Essex
Registration District Colchester
Book Number 10
Parish St Martin
County Essex
Page Number 2
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 344/4
Affiliate Record Type Institution

with her
Susannah Rowe F 15-19 aged 15
Richard Rowe M 13

or


Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place St Martin, Essex, England
Residence Note Stockwell Street
Gender Female
Age 15-19
Age (Original) 15
Occupation Null
Birth Year (Estimated) 1822-1826
Birthplace Essex
Registration District Colchester
Book Number 10
Parish St Martin
County Essex
Page Number 16
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 344/11
Affiliate Record Type Institution
Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace
George Row M 60-64 Essex
Mary Row F 30-34 Essex
Elizabeth Row F 15-19 Essex
William Row M 3 months

(awaits reply here, as to whether the Birth Cert. of below was bought!, Emily or Elizabeth given for name on it?)

Chris :)

Births Mar 1865 (>99%)
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Fitch William Butcher Gravesend 2a 346


(so still missing 1861 and back)...


23 August 1867 - Dover Express - Dover, Kent, England

Northfleet.
Charge of Assault.
At the county petty sessions at Rochester, George Smith and Cornelius Hayes were charged on a summons with violently assaulting William Fitch, at Northfleet. The complainant is gardener at the Rosherville-gardens, and was drinking with his wife in a public house where the defendants also were. A quarrel arising, the two defendants set upon the complainant, and beat him in such a savage manner, that he was for some time under medical treatment.
The magistrates convicted the defendants each in a fine of £3, and costs.

nudge for info

Hi Chris, no I have not seen the 1841 census for Elizabeth Row b 1826 Colchester. I suppose because of the Butcher connection been looking for Butcher, until yesterday when I received the birth certificate for Martha. Thanks will look

Hi Chris. Yes this is the mother, she must have gone to live with her son William Butcher Fitch after her husband William died in 1884

Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Cleethorpes
Church name Municipal Cemetery
Register type Unspecified
Burial date 18 Jan 1905
Person age 80
Burial person forename Elizabeth
Burial person surname FITCH
Burial person abode 40 Johnson St
Register note Died 10 Jan 1905 Widow


Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
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Fitch Elizabeth 80 Grimsby 7a 424


(is this the Mother?, other items relating also to William B Fitch, from below free link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)


https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(above has more details for Grave, if wanting to pay!)


Have you looked into Elizabeth Row (b.1826) 1841 Colchester, Stockwell Street, Father as George...

Hi Rose. Certainly do but had a wonderful outcome on Brian Moore and found his family who I am still in contact with. This family Fitch is my cousins husbands family so I don't know anything about them

Hi Chris. I do not know about William Butcher Fitch if his mother is Elizabeth a Row because I only bought the cert for his sister Martha Butcher Fitch. Re death of William Henry Fitch 1884. The death looks like him because Peter Street where he died is in Gravesend. I live in Gravesend so I suppose I could send one of his family to try and find his grave

Hello John, I didn't realise it was you until I checked surname lol you do have some tricky ones don't you ;-)

Any thoughts, or Cert. on Death I posted earlier?...

Does it give same 'Row' surname for Mother on William Butcher Fitch?...

Chris :)

Dismissing John and Elizabeth Row from Sussex because found living in Tunbridge Kent in 1871 and still together when the Fitches lived in Gravesend in 1871

Hello Rose, nice to see you on here again,remember me.Dont know why I get family lines that give me problems. No I have not found William Fitch prior to 1861, If I could have found a marriage to him and Elizabeth I thought I may have something to go by. Looking at his age in 1861 must say he looks old, so does Elizabeth so perhaps it is a second marriage for them both..

Hi Malyon, well that's very interesting, re John and Elizabeth Row, so if she married William Fitch wonder where her 2 children were. It does state on all the census records from 1871 to 1901 that Elizabeth was born in Colchester Essex and she married prior 1864. looking at the 1851 census it states that Elizabeth Row was born in Eastbourne Sussex, Looks good being a John Row and Elizabeth Butcher but I really have my doubts as being the one I want

John Row
Head

England and Wales Census, 1861


birth:

1806

Petworth, Sussex


residence:

1861

St Clement, Sussex, England


spouse:

Elizabeth Row


children:

Elizabeth Row, Ebenezer Row

John Row

England and Wales Census, 1851

Name John Row
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Saint Clement, Sussex, England
Registration District Hastings

Residence Note High Street
Gender Male
Age 45
Marital Status Married
Occupation Clerk
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1806
Birthplace Petworth, Sussex
Page Number 20
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1635 / 246
Affiliate Record Type Household



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

John Row Head M 45 Petworth, Sussex
Elizabeth Row Wife F 28 Eastbourne, Sussex
Esther Row Daughter F 18 Eastbourne, Sussex
Hannah Row Daughter F 15 Eastbourne, Sussex
John Row Son M 13 Eastbourne, Sussex
Elizabeth Row Daughter F 6 Eastbourne, Sussex
Daniel J Row Son M 1 Eastbourne, Sussex

I haven't checked this any further, but there is this marriage:

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Elizabeth Butcher
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 28 Apr 1849
Marriage Place: Saint Nicholas,Brighton,Sussex,England
Father: John Butcher
Spouse: John Row
FHL Film Number: 1067119

Just looking at the 1871 census, given the ages of William and Emily, the children are born to Emily when she was 40/42...which is quite late so I would assume there are children prior to that , or it is a second marriage for both?

Have you found William in 1861 or before?

Thank you all for your recent messages. I will dismiss William being in Prison 1869 because in 1871 he was living in Gravesend with family. The death in 1884 a very strong possibility. Could not find William or wife Elizabeth/Emily in 1881 census but found daughter Marta Butcher Fitch living as an in servant at a men's outfitters ( incidentally the shop only closed just a few yrs ago) her brother William Butcher Fitch was by that time a fisherman going to sea and settled in Lincolnshire with a family of his own but in 1901 his mother Elizabeth 76 widow living with him. The marriage of Emily Elizabeth Row in Ramsgate will dismiss because found her in previous census with her family in Margate Kent. The 1881 Wiliam Fitch living in Swanscombe Kent, although it's near Gravesend , throws me because states widower yet wife Elizabeth still alive, who the Elizabeth is living with him unmarried yet born in Colchester, I wouldn't think it was wrong info written down.. I just can't find a marriage for William and Elizabeth Fitch but somehow I feel there must be some connection with the name Butcher because of them giving both their children as a second name.