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Deaths Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Fitch Henry William 68 Gravesend 2a 300

Chris :)

(below was added earlier, for above)

North West Kent Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Henry William
Last name Fitch
Age at death 68
Birth year 1816
Burial year 1884
Burial date 03 Dec 1884
Residence Peter Street
Place Gravesend
Burial ground Municipal Cemetery
County Kent
Record set North West Kent Burials

Thought I had found a 1st marriage for William Fitch to a Mary Smith in Great Sampford Essex in 1831 unfortunately William was born 1800 but what caught my eye was a witness named John Butcher, Thought maybe thats why William Henry Fitch ie In 1871 had children William Butcher Fitch and Martha Butcher Fitch in possibly his second marriage
Think it is an impossibility to go back further unless a marriage can be found for William and Elizabeth Row/ Roe. Fitch seems an old English name and I see records go back to the 1400's

Hi Tiggit. Dismissing Emily Ellen Fitch mother Rowe because on her marriage her father was John William Fitch. Looking at census her mother called Louisa.. Regarding Elizabeth and Emily living in West Ham in 1861 ,if it was the Elizabeth living with William Henry Fitch in 1871 Gravesend, there was no Emily unless she had died but unable to find a death. Unable to find a marriage for Elizabeth to a William Henry Fitch ,perhaps they never got married.

Possiblly another child for William and Elizabeth Fitch

FITCH, EMILY ELLEN MMN ROWE
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 2




and maybe Elizabeth and Emily in the 1861 census:


Elizabeth Fitch
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name Elizabeth Fitch
County Essex
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Westham, Essex, England
Ecclesiastical Parish Plaistow
Registration District West Ham
Residence Note Victoria Road
Gender Female
Age 33
Marital Status Married
Occupation Dressmaker
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1828
Birthplace Colchester, Essex<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Page Number 24
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 1059 / 211
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household



Elizabeth Fitch Wife F 33 Colchester, Essex
Emily Fitch Daughter F 1 Stratford, Essex


EDIT: Possibly another child:

FITCH, JAMES BAWTREE MMN ROWE
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 1

AND DEATH:

Deaths Dec 1858 (>99%)

Fitch James Bawtree W. Ham 4a 2

(ah!, thankyou for that AQ, surprised, lol)

(might relate then to Thomas Isaac/Amelia Marriage 1862 Gravesend)

Chris :)

Not sure where it comes in on the thread, but maiden name was Frost:

FITCH, CHARLES FREDERICK FROST Order
GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 395

(just come home folks, not had time to check like that Maureen, lol, anything for below Birth...

(reference/Burial info. on other Martha 'Thread') * (apologies, mean Emily 'Thread!)

Chris :)

Births Jun 1871 (>99%)
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Fitch Charles Frederick Gravesend 2a 395

Sometimes they say they were both from a certain place as its easier. If they happen to live in Colchester and need parish relief they can only get it if they are from that town. They can be sent back to the town of their birth if they say different so lots of porkies were told.

No problem AustinQ, I am so grateful at the help everyone is giving me with the Fitch family. This GRO connection seems so promising

Thank you Maureen for the GRO link. So it does look like the mother of William Butcher Fitch was named Roe, spelt Row on his sisters birth cert.. Now to find a marriage for their parents. Will have to register with GRO and see what might crop up, at the moment come to standstill on their marriage. Both originate from Colchester but found no marriage for them there

Sorry for using your thread John- I got over excited!

Have added it to the Genealogy Chat Board

:-D :-D :-D

We're running away with John's thread!

I just found out this morning via RootsChat.

Maybe someone could post a mention on the Genealogy Chat board (or somewhere appropriate)? Would do it but I'm up to my ears in h..work.

Maureen :-)

Grrr! Keep getting this page cannot be displayed. ~Wonder if we are overloading the site?

I don't know, but I am so pleased. I have searched for a certain birth for years and have spent lots of money on dud certificates. I now think using this search that I have found what I was looking for. I have sent for the certificate- so fingers crossed.

Many thanks Maureen

Me too Austin! Having trouble finding some, even though I have the GRO refs.

How come we didn't know this had happened?

That's blinking fantastic Maureen- just activated my account to see what I can find on my own distant family that I haven't got certs for.

That is great, Maureen - going to save a lot of money buying certs!

The GRO now has mmn pre-1911.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

You do have to register/log in and the search parameters are pretty narrow but stil....

FITCH, WILLIAM BUTCHER mmn ROE
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 346

Maureen :-)

John ..............

we're trying to tell you that William and his sister MIGHT have different mothers named on their birth certificates!

It is entirely possible that whoever gave the information made a mistake OR thta there were 2 different mothers, but you cannot ASSUME that seeing one certificate tells you what will be on the other!

Hi Chris. No I have not bought the birth cert for William Butcher Fitch because I had bought his sisters who is my cousins Great grandmother Martha Butcher Fitch. As stated in it mother Elizabeth Row. It is the name Butcher that is completely throwing me.