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I have just received a birth certificate for Martha Butcher Fitch, b. 1866 Northfleet Kent. It states father William Henry Fitch and mother Elizabeth Row. On the 1871 census it states both parents born in Colchester Essex, mothers name Emily but on later census she is down as Elizabeth also Emily. I just can't find a marriage for a William or William Henry Fitch to an Elizabeth or Emily Row in Kent nor in Colchester. Did find a Emily Butcher married in Colchester but no William Fitch listed . Unable to proceed with the tree so any help will be appreciated. Many thanks

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Darnley Road, Gravesend, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Fitch Head - Male 60 1811 - Essex, England
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Emily Fitch Wife - Female 46 1825 - Essex, England
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William Fitch Son - Male 6 1865 - Kent, England
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Martha Fitch Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Kent, England

william is a gardener

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
49, Harmer Street, Milton-Next-Gravesend, Gravesend, Kent, England

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Henry Notton Head Married Male 66 1815 Hatter Wiltshire, England
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Matilda Notton Wife Married Female 54 1827 - Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
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William Notton Son Single Male 19 1862 Hatter Gravesend, Kent, England
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Frank Notton Son Single Male 17 1864 Clerk (Distillery) Gravesend, Kent, England
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George Notton Son Single Male 14 1867 Hatters Assistant Gravesend, Kent, England
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Louisa Notton Daughter Single Female 21 1860 - Gravesend, Kent, England
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Martha Fitch Servant Single Female 16 1865 General Servant (Domestic) Northfleet, Kent, England
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Ernest Connor Grand Son Single Male 3 1878 - Gravesend, Kent, England

could Emily have been married before she married William

Marriages Jun 1864 (>99%)

Blizard John Thanet 2a 1112 Scan available - click to view
Buddle William Mount Thanet 2a 1112 Scan available - click to view
Row Emily Elizabeth Thanet 2a 1112 Scan available - click to view
Stokes Mary Thanet 2a 1112

Hi Malyon I had wondered that myself and had seen this marriage in Thanet Kent in 1864 but dismissed it. In 1865 Emily Fitch on 1871 census had a son his name William Butcher Fitch and in 1866 daughter Martha Butcher Fitch.As stated on birth cert for daughter mother Elizabeth formerly Row, possibly her maiden name was Butcher hence why middle name Butcher for both children. Unable to understand where the Row comes in. Just don't think the marriage in Jun 1864 could be the one I want. 1871 census states William and Elizabeth were both born in Colchester Essex.

hi john
what is williams occupation on the birth cert

William is down as a gardener. Dismissing Emily Elizabeth Row because just found her on the 1861! and 1851 census as being born in Thanet,,

I have been looking for a marriage between a Row and a Butcher but not found anything so far.

Hi Sylvia. I have tried all combinations but unable to find anything. At one stage I found a William Fetch but don't seem to find it again. I'm doing this for my cousins son and looked into people's trees but they seem to have got it all wrong , Martha B Fitch has wrong parents, hence why I bought her birth certificate.

Closing down for the night way past bedtime, please leave any messages and will get back on tomorrow. Thank you all for the help so far

(for that 1864 Marriage)

Chris :)

28 May 1864 - Canterbury Journal, Kentish Times and Farmers' Gazette

Marriage
Ramsgate - May 19, Mr. J. Blizard, Superintendent of Margate S.E.R. Station, to Miss Emily E. Row, of Reading-street, near St. Peter’s.


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(Marriage for Son, 1889 Yorkshire, image on Find My Past, Father, William Henry Fitch (Deceased) occ. Gardener.


Deaths Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Fitch Henry William 68 Gravesend 2a 300

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North West Kent Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Henry William
Last name Fitch
Age at death 68
Birth year 1816
Burial year 1884
Burial date 03 Dec 1884
Residence Peter Street
Place Gravesend
Burial ground Municipal Cemetery
County Kent
Record set North West Kent Burials

1881 states William is a widower.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Botany Bay, 23, Taunton Road, Swanscombe, Dartford, Kent,
Archive reference RG11 Piece number 868 Folio 34 Page 62

William Fitch Head Widower Male 66 1815 Gen Gardener Colchester, Essex,
Elizabeth Fitch Single Female 31 1850 - -

Can't help thinking that this may be connected- he received 7 years penal servitude:

England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 Transcription

First name(s) Henry
Last name Fitch
Occupation Gardener
Age 58
Birth year 1811
Year 1869
Date 11 Jan 1869
Place Middlesex
Victim's first name(s) John
Victim's last name Driscoll

Series CRIM9
Source Central Criminal Court: After Trial Calendars of Prisoners
Piece number 15
Folio number 11

Name Elizabeth Row
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place St Martin, Essex, England
Residence Note Stockwell Street
Gender Female
Age 15-19
Age (Original) 15
Occupation Null
Birth Year (Estimated) 1822-1826
Birthplace Essex
Registration District Colchester
Book Number 10
Parish St Martin
County Essex
Page Number 16
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 344/11
Affiliate Record Type Institution



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

George Row M NULL Essex
Mary Row F NULL Essex
Elizabeth Row F NULL Essex
William Row M 3 months

Thank you all for your recent messages. I will dismiss William being in Prison 1869 because in 1871 he was living in Gravesend with family. The death in 1884 a very strong possibility. Could not find William or wife Elizabeth/Emily in 1881 census but found daughter Marta Butcher Fitch living as an in servant at a men's outfitters ( incidentally the shop only closed just a few yrs ago) her brother William Butcher Fitch was by that time a fisherman going to sea and settled in Lincolnshire with a family of his own but in 1901 his mother Elizabeth 76 widow living with him. The marriage of Emily Elizabeth Row in Ramsgate will dismiss because found her in previous census with her family in Margate Kent. The 1881 Wiliam Fitch living in Swanscombe Kent, although it's near Gravesend , throws me because states widower yet wife Elizabeth still alive, who the Elizabeth is living with him unmarried yet born in Colchester, I wouldn't think it was wrong info written down.. I just can't find a marriage for William and Elizabeth Fitch but somehow I feel there must be some connection with the name Butcher because of them giving both their children as a second name.

Just looking at the 1871 census, given the ages of William and Emily, the children are born to Emily when she was 40/42...which is quite late so I would assume there are children prior to that , or it is a second marriage for both?

Have you found William in 1861 or before?

I haven't checked this any further, but there is this marriage:

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Elizabeth Butcher
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 28 Apr 1849
Marriage Place: Saint Nicholas,Brighton,Sussex,England
Father: John Butcher
Spouse: John Row
FHL Film Number: 1067119

John Row

England and Wales Census, 1851

Name John Row
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Saint Clement, Sussex, England
Registration District Hastings

Residence Note High Street
Gender Male
Age 45
Marital Status Married
Occupation Clerk
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1806
Birthplace Petworth, Sussex
Page Number 20
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1635 / 246
Affiliate Record Type Household



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

John Row Head M 45 Petworth, Sussex
Elizabeth Row Wife F 28 Eastbourne, Sussex
Esther Row Daughter F 18 Eastbourne, Sussex
Hannah Row Daughter F 15 Eastbourne, Sussex
John Row Son M 13 Eastbourne, Sussex
Elizabeth Row Daughter F 6 Eastbourne, Sussex
Daniel J Row Son M 1 Eastbourne, Sussex

John Row
Head

England and Wales Census, 1861


birth:

1806

Petworth, Sussex


residence:

1861

St Clement, Sussex, England


spouse:

Elizabeth Row


children:

Elizabeth Row, Ebenezer Row

Hi Malyon, well that's very interesting, re John and Elizabeth Row, so if she married William Fitch wonder where her 2 children were. It does state on all the census records from 1871 to 1901 that Elizabeth was born in Colchester Essex and she married prior 1864. looking at the 1851 census it states that Elizabeth Row was born in Eastbourne Sussex, Looks good being a John Row and Elizabeth Butcher but I really have my doubts as being the one I want