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Deaths Mar 1931 (>99%)
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Delderfield Caroline 68 Hampstead 1a 938


Burial Register summary

Delderfield Caroline
Burial date 06 March 1931
Authority London Borough of Camden
Location Hampstead Cemetery (Camden)

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If your grandmother had a daughter Carry (more likely Carrie or Caroline or Carolyn) and you know your grandmother's name then you at least know Carry's mother's name.


You need to tell us roughly when and where Carry was born and if she married if you want help.

I have found carrie born 1985 atwillesden - husband henry delderfield - children - henry,ernest,georgina - I want carries parents names so that I can trace back.regarads, yvonne - thanks for your information

Yvonne, it's nice to see you have decided to post in the thread, but this is making no sense at all.

'carrie born 1985 atwillesden'

did you mean 1895?

if this Carrie's husband was a Delderfield, she was not born Delderfield herself

there are only 2 Henry Delderfield marriages, one in 1883 and one in 1922.


>>> where have you 'found' this 'carrie born 1985 at willesden' ??

if she was 68 when she died in 1931, if that is her death, then she was born about 1862/1863

it seems the birth posted earlier is Georgina

Births Mar 1900
Delderfield George May Hendon 3a 208

Aha, the 1882 marriage list is missing a bride

Marriages Dec 1883
BAGDON Mary Louisa A Marylebone 1a 1084
CRONLY Richard Marylebone 1a 1084
> Delderfield Henry Marylebone 1a 1084
SNOWSHALL Jemima Marylebone 1a 1084
WYNDHAM Richard Walter C Marylebone 1a 1084

these are the women named Car* who married in Marylebone in Dec quarter 1883

Marriages Dec 1883
BARBER Caroline Marylebone 1a 1071
BREWER Caroline Marylebone 1a 1170
Coakley Caroline Marylebone 1a 1104
GAME Caroline Marylebone 1a 989
Hibbert Caroline Marylebone 1a 1105
Lee Caroline Maria Marylebone 1a 1132
Ogivile Caroline Marylebone 1a 986
WILBRAHAM Caroline Octavia Marylebone 1a 1051

One of them, Hibbert, could be a mismatch, since there is a spare bride on the page, but her entry has been correctly transcribed as 1105 so it is not her ... and more likely there is a spare groom on Henry's page than a missing bride


this is the birth of the Ernest who died in WWI

Births Dec 1897
Delderfield Ernest Hendon 3a 251

this is him in 1911

Name: Ernest Delderfield
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Kilburn, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Willesden

with his father

Name: Henry Delderfield
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tring, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Willesden
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 78 Shakespeare Avenue, Willesden
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Car Man W D C

this is that Henry's birth

Births Sep 1861
DELDERFIELD Henry Berkhampstead 3a 318


this is him in 1901 with wife Louisa and no children present

Name: Henry Delderfield
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Louisa Delderfield - born c1849 Northamptonshire
Birth Place: Tring, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Northampton All Saints


this is him in 1891 with wife Emily .....

Name: Harry Delderfield
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Delderfield - born c1869 Stoke Newington
Gender: Male
Where born: Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Islington



okay no -- they are different people

is your person HARRY not Henry ??

Marriages Jun 1887
Baumber Caroline Emma Islington 1b 445
> DELDERFIELD Harry Islington 1b 445
Trenholm Emily Alice Islington 1b 445
Van-den-Heuvel Leonard Islington 1b 445

except that one married EMILY not Caroline??

Births Sep 1868
TRENHOLM Emily Alice Edmonton 3a 161



can you please just tell us what the source of your information is

and give some accurate details, like not '1985', and when the children were born ...

for info, this is the 1911 Henry in 1881

Name: Henry Dorifield
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Gender: Male
Where born: Tring, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Hillingdon
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: Grd Junctn Canal and Docks "Emma Louise" No 10314
Occupation: Mate


but this has to be the Caroline who died in 1831, in 1911

Name: Caroline Delderfield
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hendon
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 46 Asmuns Place, Garden City, Hendon
Marital Status: Married

husband is MARK



but trying to sort this out again ...

'I have found georgina delderfield - my grandmothers name - she had a
daughter Carry delderfield - married henry delderfield - I need Carry's
parents names.'

Georgina was born 1900

if she had a daughter 'Carry Delderfield' then the daughter was born before Georgina's marriage

but no Car* Delderfield was born between 1889 and 1845

how could Georgina's daughter Carry Delderfield have married Henry Delderfield?


it makes no sense whatsoever


Georgina Delderfield is your grandmother ... 'Carry' is your aunt?

so you *know* her mother's name at least ????

I've polished my crystal ball and it's still hazy, but do you think this is the Carry that Yvonne is referring to? 1901 as posted earlier on thread

Henry Delderfield Head Married Male 40 1861 Carman Tring, Buckinghamshire, England
Transcription
Carry Delderfield Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Willesden, Middlesex, England
Transcription <<<<<<<<<

As Joonie has already posted above ( or below if you work that way ;-) )

Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
Baumber Caroline Emma Islington 1b 445
DELDERFIELD Harry Islington 1b 445

EDIT NOT THIS ONE, Caroline married other named spouse.

? EDIT NOT THIS ONE

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
62, Queens Head Street, Islington, London, England

Benjamin Baumber Head Married Male 53 1828 Cabinet Maker Skirbeck, Lincolnshire, England
Ann M Baumber Wife Married Female 55 1826 - Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Louisa Baumber Daughter Single Female 19 1862 Paper Collar Maker (B 20/4) Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Caroline Baumber Daughter Single Female 17 1864 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England <<<<<<<<<
William B Baumber Son Single Male 14 1867 Errand Boy Islington, Middlesex, England

Cant find it just now but I know that I discounted the Baumer one!!

Dea x

Dea you're right this is the marriage for that Henry, he didn't marry Caroline

Name: Emily Alice Trenholm
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Age: 19
Spouse: Harry Delderfield
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Apr 1887
Parish: St Mary, Islington
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Thomas Eden Trenholm
Spouse Father: Charles Delderfield
Register Type: Parish Register

That's the one RR.

Dea Xxx

yep as I said :-)

(Rose maybe delete all the refs about the Caroline who did not marry Henry Delafield since she was already ruled out, to avoid confusion?)


but what Yvonne is saying is that Georgina Delderfield Taylor, the mother of Florence M H Taylor 1921, had a daughter 'Carry Delderfield' who married Henry Delderfield, which makes no sense


bottom of page 1 from PM yvonne sent:

'I have found georgina delderfield - my grandmothers name - she had a daughter *THIS MUST MEAN 'MOTHER' NOT 'DAUGHTER' - Carry delderfield - married henry delderfield - I need Carry's parents names'


of course what yvonne said near the top of page 2 makes less sense:

'I have found carrie born 1985 atwillesden - husband henry delderfield - children - henry,ernest,georgina - I want carries parents names so that I can trace back.'


so in fact, the 1901 census says

Henry Delderfield Head Married Male 40 1861 Carman Tring, Buckinghamshire, England
Carry Delderfield Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Willesden, Middlesex, England
Henry Delderfield Son Single Male 16 1885 Van Guard Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, England
Ernest Delderfield Son - Male 3 1898 - Willesden, Middlesex, England
Georgina Delderfield Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Willesden, Middlesex, England


right ... Ancestry has them as

Henry Deldeseld 40
Carry Deldeseld 36
Henry Deldeseld 16
Ernest Deldeseld 3
Georgina Deldeseld 1


yvonne

get Georgina's birth certificate and it will give you her mother's full name

since her birth is mistranscribed, better maybe to get Ernest's

Births Dec 1897
Delderfield Ernest Hendon 3a 251


and if you could please just try to make sure that what you say makes sense ... Carry was Georgina's mother NOT daughter, nobody was born in 1985 or 1895 ...


looking at the age differences in the children - one aged 16, then two aged 3 and 1 - it looks very likely that Carry was Ernest's second partner and they were probably not married

Henry Delderfield
England Births and Christenings
Name Henry Delderfield
Gender Male
Christening Date 22 Sep 1886
Christening Place Great Berkhampstead, Hertford, England
Father's Name Henry Delderfield
Mother's Name Julia

. Yvonne, are you in contact with Patricia who has Ernest and Georgina on her tree here? Just thinking she may have more info?

Hertfordshire Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) Henry
Last name Delderfield
Birth year -
Baptism year 1886
Baptism date 22 Sep 1886
Place Berkhamstead
Father's first name(s) Henry
Father's occupation Labourer
Mother's first names(s) Julia
Country England
Record set Hertfordshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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Annie Elizabeth Delderfield
England Births and Christenings
Name Annie Elizabeth Delderfield
Gender Female
Christening Date 10 Feb 1884
Christening Place St Andrew and St Phillip, Kensall-Green, Middlesex, England
Father's Name Henry Delderfield
Mother's Name Jemima

Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%) ??????????
BAGDON Mary Louisa A Marylebone 1a 1084 Scan available - click to view
CRONLY Richard Marylebone 1a 1084 Scan available - click to view
****Delderfield Henry Marylebone 1a 1084 Scan available - click to view
****SNOWSHALL Jemima Marylebone 1a 1084 Scan available - click to view
WYNDHAM Richard Walter C Marylebone 1a 1084
Births Mar 1935 (>99%)

Ther were two H**ry Delderfields born at the right time in the right place - I think this is the one you are NOT looking for.??

Dea x

Births Dec 1865
Snowshall Jemima Hendon 3a 98


yes finally

1891 census

Name: Henry Danderfield
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jemimia Danderfield
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Registration district: Fulham

Henry Danderfield 28
Jemimia Danderfield 27
Henry Danderfield 5
Annie E Danderfield 3


actually it looks like the right one - son Henry matches the 1901 census?

..........?????????????..............
Name: Harry Delderfield
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Age: 25
Spouse: Emily Alice Trenholm
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Apr 1887
Parish: St Mary, Islington
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Charles Delderfield
Spouse Father: Thomas Eden Trenholm
Register Type: Parish Register

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1871: - These in the workhouse !!
Name: Henry Delderfield
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Tring, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Berkhampstead
Town: Berkhampstead
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Berkhampstead
Sub-registration district: Berkhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 74
Piece: 1389
Folio: 73
Page Number: 16

John Delderfield 45
Sarah Delderfield 43 (Sarah Wilkinson???)
Henry Delderfield 10
Sarah Delderfield 7
Mary Delderfield 4
Ernest Delderfield 1

Dea x