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Yes Nicola, all the Hervie children that I posted earlier show parents as:
James Hervie ( Variant surnames) and Jean Winning.
Those are from Family Search but the original OPR entries can be found on Scotlands People


Name James Harvie
Gender Male
Birth Date 10 Feb 1781
Birthplace GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name James Harvie
Mother's Name Jean Winning

Name Elizabeth Harvie
Gender Female
Birth Date 10 Sep 1782
Birthplace GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name James Harvie
Mother's Name Jean Winning


Name Christian Harvie
Gender Female
Birth Date 21 Jun 1784
Birthplace GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name James Harvie
Mother's Name Jean Winning

William Hervey
Gender Male
Birth Date 14 Jul 1785
Birthplace GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name James Hervey
Mother's Name Jean Winning

Name Jean Hervey
Gender Female
Birth Date 25 Apr 1788
Birthplace , GLASGOW, LANARK, SCOTLAND
Father's Name James Hervey
Mother's Name Jean Winning

Name Mary Hervey
Gender Female
Birth Date 24 Jul 1790
Birthplace , GLASGOW, LANARK, SCOTLAND
Father's Name James Hervey
Mother's Name Jean Winning

Name Robert Hervie
Gender Male
Christening Date 03 Apr 1792
Christening Place , ABBEY (PAISLEY), RENFREW, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 25 Mar 1792
Father's Name James Hervie
Mother's Name Jean Winning

Name Janet Harvey
Gender Female
Christening Date 22 Mar 1793
Christening Place , ABBEY (PAISLEY), RENFREW, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 12 Mar 1793
Father's Name James Harvey
Mother's Name Jean Winning

Name Alexander Hervie
Gender Male
Christening Date 24 Apr 1794
Christening Place , ABBEY (PAISLEY), RENFREW, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 23 Apr 1794
Father's Name James Hervie
Mother's Name Jean Winning


William Harvie
Gender Male
Christening Date 16 Sep 1795
Christening Place , ABBEY (PAISLEY), RENFREW, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 14 Sep 1795
Father's Name James Harvie
Mother's Name Jean Winning

Name William Harvie
Gender Male
Christening Date 16 Sep 1795
Christening Place , ABBEY (PAISLEY), RENFREW, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 14 Sep 1795
Father's Name James Harvie
Mother's Name Jean Winning


(Added: Alexander who I missed before)

So much to follow up on:
Yes, Robert Kibble Hervey is my GGGrandfather - got lots and lots about him including photos and memorabilia [his signet ring!]. He was a Barrister in London. His younger sister is the Isabel Matley Hervey mentioned above - she is the author of the wonderful Indian Journal which I am busy transcribing. And another sister mentioned above Violet Milroy Hervey is, by complete coincidence, buried 30 minutes from where I live! With a very informative headstone and complete set of engraved kerbs. The last [surviving] sister Rosamond Hervey married a fascinating chap when they were both in their 50's; he was a Colonel in the Indian Army [HENRY BATHURST HANNA] and left an amazing written account of one of the mounted charges he was involved in [and which nearly killed him]. A transcription of that account is lodged with the British Library if anyone is interested. And his complete art collection of Indian and Asian art is at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC. Like I have any spare time with all of this!

And, just to reassure you all, I DO have an Ag Lab in my ancestry ;-) ;-) - he was my GGGrandfather on the other side of my family and was also the Parish Clerk for 38 years, as it very helpfully told me at the side of his Burial Record!! So I guess that he was an 'educated' Ag Lab ..................

The little Jane Hamilton Hervey is correct.

The Marshall/Mauritius connection is correct. Emily Marshall is mentioned by my GGGAunt in her diary of 1884 - how very helpful of her!

The Jane and Janet Hervey sisters living in Brewood are correct. Again, and helpfully, they are mentioned in my GGGrandfather's will as his sisters.

Thomas Kibble Hervey was the famous [ at the time ] Victorian romantic poet. We have letters from and to him to chaps like Wordsworth, etc! And his books. He is buried in Highgate Cemetery but sadly without a headstone as it seems he died penniless. But, again, my GGGrandfather [his half brother] made a legacy to TKH's only child in his will - nice.

Love the Atlas Assurance Co information - thank you.

Do the Scottish birth records show the mmn for James Hervie junior?

The name Jean Winning as James Hervie junior's first wife is only a little curious, in that this is a name that is completely missing off all of the huge amount of information that I have. Again, do the Scottish birth records show mmn for any of the children of James Hervie junior? Hope I haven't missed any of the posts here; it's hard to keep scrolling up and down and I can't change pages either!!

I need to sign off a little now and may not get back to all of this mountain of help that you've all given until later this evening/tomorrow.
:-)

1851: Park Place, Paisley Road, Glasgow
Name Age
James Kibble 73 Metal Merchant b PAISLEY
Mary Kibble 34 dau b Rothesay, Isle of Bute
John Kibble 32 son B Glasgow
Sarah Kibble 26 Dau B Glasgow
Jane W Parlane 33
Mary Carmichael 23

It shows that the family I located in Lancs will be James Hervey ( b Mauritius) and Elizabeth Kibble.
Elizabeth's place of birth is showing as Isle of Bute

It also places the Kibble family right back to the start..
James iKbble was born in Paisley circa 1778
Was he the brother of Isabella Kibble who married James Hervey?
Sure looks like it.

James Kibble
Gender Male
Christening Place LOW CHURCH, PAISLEY, RENFREW, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 31 Oct 1777
Birthplace Low Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Father's Name Thomas Kibble
Mother's Name Sarah Martin
Nicola seems to know about the Kibble roots

Oooo - I do hope she hasn't got all this already !! :-D

Have to go and get the grandchildren from school - see you later.....

Dea x

Greenock Advertiser 4 Dec 1849

At Park Place, Paisley Road, Glasgow.
On the 27th ultimo, by the Rev James FS Gordon.
James Hervey esq Manchester, to Elizabeth, 2nd daughter of James Kibble Esq, Glasgow.

Therefore, James Kibble husband of Sarah Hervey and Elizabeth Kibble wife of James Hervey would be siblings?

Dea ,
That's the same address that's listed for the father of Elizabeth Kibble who married James Hervey in Glasgow 1849

Golly!
I think I found them on census returns in Lancs.
James was born circa 1813 in... Mauritius

Re Sarah Hervey to James Kibble in 1839:

Sarah was of Heath Field, Lloyd St., Moss Lane, Manchester

James was of Park ? Place, in the City of Glasgow, North Britain !!.

Both 21 or over.

Dea x

Chris,
I have quite a few people called Winning in my tree.
Initially they had no connection to each other as they were spouses to different people, from completely different areas from my ancestry
I looked more closely at the individuals and found that a number of them were definitely descendants of the SAME Winning families.

Their origins were Barony/ Tollcross/Old Monkland.

County Midlothian
Place Edinburgh
Church name The Parish Church
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 31 Jul 1748
Groom forename William
Groom surname WINNING
Groom occupation Servant to Mr Matthew STEWART,Professor of Mathematics in the College of Edinburgh,in S.S.E Parish
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname WINNING
Bride father forename Tobias
Bride father surname WINNING
Bride father occupation Staymaker in Glasgow,now in N.W Parish

(would above relate anywhere?, things ' Winning'!)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

When I was looking this morning, I spotted 2 things but, I can't decide if it's relevant or even connected

1) Marriage of Sarah Hervey to James Kibble 1839, Manchester
( found Sarah Listed as an executor to a Will and she is definitely connected to the early Hervey/ Winning/ Kibble family)

2) Marriage of James Hervey Esq of MANCHESTER to Elizabeth Kibble of Glasgow.
They married in Glasgow in 1849.
Marriage announcement found in Glasgow newspaper. Elizabeth Kibble was the daughter of James Kibble, Glasgow.

This means that there are 3 different instances where names Hervey and Kibble intermarried.
ALL had links to Manchester but it may explain further people/descendants named Hervey with middle name Kibble and vice versa

I know Erin, I have been following them too.

They are all SO interesting and she is SO lucky to have been left all that wonderful information - I really do envy her (although I don't envy all the work it will take to bring all that info together, I dont think it will be completed in 'one' lifetime ;-) )

What I do find fascinating is that ALL her relatives have had such interesting and mysterious lives and in so many diverse directions.

Dea Xxx

Dea....You need to go back to 2008 and onward to discover what has been found in Nicola's tree !!! ...Below is from 2011

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1262882

Returning to the 1795 death in Paisley for Jean Hervie .
Can't be daughter Jean/Jane b 1788 in Glasgow as she fits the description from 1851 census in Brewood, Stafffs ( posted above)

Sisters, Mary ( Mrs Marshall), Janet ( unmarried) and Jane ( unmarried) now seem to be accounted for on the various census returns in England.

Nicola,
having re read your comments re James Hervie Snr, I think I see where you are coming from.
James married Jean Winning in Glasgow then Isabella Kibble in Paisley but, was he originally from Stirlingshire?
It is possible.
If he and Jean Winning adhered to the traditional naming patterns, it suggests that his parents were called James and Christian ( Christina)
Jean's parents would be William and Elizabeth as Rootgatherer suggested.

There's another Mauritius born man named Henry Marshall, but I can't tell if he is connected
Born circa 1821 son of William Marshall
He married Mary Charlotte Ainslie in India 1854
They also had a daughter named Louisa but were back in the UK by 1861.

1861: Misenden, Gloucester

Henry Marshall 40 Fund Holder B Mauritius
Mary C Marshall 25 Wife. B Mauritius
Alice C Marshall 5 Dau b Calcutta
Henry Edgar Marshall 4 Son B Calcutta
Louisa Marshall 3 Dau B Calcutta
Ethea Marshall 1 Dau B Devon
William A Marshall 1/12 son B Miserdine
Julia Caroline White 5 Niece b Calcutta
Charles F White 3 Nephew B Calcutta
Martha Faries 20 Servant
Eliza Telling 23 Servant
Elizabeth Harrison 25 Servant

This is 1871 return for above family and a bit of a mess.
Bedford, Bedfordshire
Thompson and Marshall are two different homes but have been put togeter as one.
Thompson family ends with Charles at bottom of pg34 and Marshall children start at top of page 36
The page in betweeen the two separate families is missing from the Ancestry version.
The missing page will contain the Marshalls.
mbers:
Name Age
James R Thompson 33
Jane Thompson 30
James Thompson 8
Arthur Thompson 3
Charles Thompson 1
----------------------------------
Louisa Marshall 13
Ethel Marshall 11
William A Marshall 10
Charlotte Marshall 8
Edward Marshall 6
Herbert Marshall 5
Ada Marshall 2
...Frances Marshall 19 (Mistrancribed but it says: Niece B NSW, Australia)
Maria Sheppard 26
Elizabeth Marriott 25
Sarah Humphrey 20
Susan Pope 20

LOL Dea
It also more or less proves that James's 1st wife was... Jean Winning!

There we go....
Another Mistranscription of the name Hervey
1851: Brewood, Staffordshire
Name Age
Jane Hewey 61 Unmarried B Scotland ( Jane Hervie b 1788 Glasgow)
Janet Hewey 57 Sister b Scotland
*****Mary Marshall 60 Sister B Scotland
******Lousia Marshall 18 Niece... B Mauritius
Mary Mannein 24 Cook
Ann Plowright Housemad

Strike the "more or less" Proof.
I would say definitive.

1871 Taunton St Mary Magdalene
Name Age
Elizabeth E Marshall 66 Single b Mauritius
Louisa J Marshall 58 Sister Singe B Mauritius
Annie W Mounter Servant

Well it certainly looks very likely GlasgowLass.

I doubt that Nicola will ever have the joy of discovering an 'Ag.Lab' in 'her' family ;-) :-D :-D

Dea x

Oh!
This looks suspiciusly like sisters, Mary and Janet Hervey, daughters of James with Jean Winning:

Mary Marshall was the widow of Leuit Col Marshall
All children born in Mauritius

1861: Kingsholm Gloucester St Catherine
Mary Marshall 70 Widow b Glasgow
Emily Marshall 34 Dau b Mauritius
Louisa Marshall 25 Dau B Mauritius
Janet Hervey 66 Sister b Paisley
Emma Travell 22 Servant

1871: Albany Lodge, Tything of Whistones, Worcester

Mary Marshall 80 Widow of Lt Col. B Glasgow
Elizabeth E Marshall 46 Dau. B Mauritius
George R J Marshall 44 Son B Mauritius
William F J Marshall 41 Son B Mauritius
Louisa J Marshall 38 Dau. B Mauritius
Janet H Marshall 78 Sister. B Paisley ( Mistrancribed on Anc as Jacob)
Emma E Lee 22 Servant
Harriet Hitchman 19 Servant

EDIT:
Potentiial proof that it is Mary and her sister Janet

Nicola has all the info on Robert Hervey b 1802 in Paisley.
He married Jane Hamilton

Here they are at 1851 in Cheshire, mistranscribed a Henry
Look who is in their house!
She must be his niece

Name Age
Robert Henry 49
Jane Henry 49
Violet Henry 15
Rosamond Henry 12
*****Emily Marshall 25 Visitor B Mauritius
Emma Meyer 38
Ellen Clara 27
Laura Thomas 27
Mary Mayers 21
Elizabeth Herxshall 40
Duncan Gillies 28
Duncan Ferguson 30
James Ward 21

????

Jean Winning
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 23 Feb 1760
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1760
Baptism Place: Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Father: William Winning
Mother: Elizabeth Lundie
FHL Film Number: 0102912, 1042934

Think I may have the answer.
It's a long shot but it sort of looks right and info fits

James Hervie married Jean Winning in Glasgow 1778.
Family Search....
Children:
James b 1781 Glasgow
Elizabeth b 1782 Glasgow
Christian b 1784 Glasgow ( interchangeable with Christina)
William b 1785 Glasgow
Jean b 1788 Glasgow
Mary b 1790 Glasgow
(The family now move to Renfrewshire)
Robert b 1792 PAISLEY
Janet b 1793 Paisley
William 1795 Paisley

SP shows a 1795 death in Paisley for Jean Hervie, and other name on the index is: James Hervie
If this Is Jean Winning and not the daughter, it leaves James free to remarry in Paisley 1798

The only blank time period sits between 1802 Paisley and 1808 Machester.
I suspect that any link to Kippen, Stirlingshire is possibly a red herring

As Nicola as conformed that Carrick Hervie was the son from the Hervie/ Kibble marriage, the timeline starts to fall into place.
If James's age is correct, then of course, Isabella must have been quite a bit younger than her husband.
As the names of her first child reflects her parentage, I suspect she was the child born in Paisley, in 1767 to Thomas Kibble and Sarah Martin

James Hervie and Isabella Kibble married in Paisley in 1789
Isabella would be around 32yrs old at time of marriage and her husband roughly 53yrs

Son: Thomas Kibble Hervie b 1799 in Paisley
Dau: Sally Hervie b 1800 in Paisley ( Sally inerchageable with Sarah)
Son: Robert Hervie b 1802 in Paisley
Son :Carrick Hervie b 1810 Manchester

Isabella was over 40yrs old when son Carrick was born

Based on the Manchester baptisms supplied by Dea above, at a guessthey probably relate the marriage and children of Robert b 1802 Paisley

Robert Hervey
Spouse's Name Jane Hamilton
Event Date 27 Aug 1828
Event Place Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England