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I think the viote was extended to women aged 21 in 1928, she was born around 1908.

Am I right in thinking the first time she would appear on the electoral role would be around 1929?

The Cornwall record is earlier.

" causing the body to be cremated"

This does not mean that the person was the 'cremator', only that he/she was the person giving instructions regarding the funeral arrangements.

May have been a family member, or not.

Dea x

OK..my take on "the vote for women"

Before 1918 women were not allowed to vote at parliamentary elections. Until the 19th century voting rights were based on amounts and type of land/property people held. Before 1832 constituencies were unequal, and electoral qualifications varied. In counties men aged 21-70 with freehold property worth at least forty shillings a year could vote at local and parliamentary elections and were eligible for jury service. Borough qualifications varied depending on terms
in their Charter of Incorporation and local customs. This meant that some areas were completely unrepresented, while ancient boroughs could return two MPs, even ones that had diminished in size and importance (these were known as ‘rotten boroughs’). The franchise was gradually extended by the following Acts:

Representation of the People Acts
• 1918: Vote given to all men over 21 and to women over 30 who were ratepayers or wives of ratepayers;
• 1928: Vote given to all women over the age of 21;
• 1969: Minimum voting age for men and women lowered to 18.

So only women over 30 who were ratepayers or wives of ratepayers (and I think graduates) could vote before 1928.

Jude

" causing the body to be cremated"

This does not mean that the person was the 'cremator', only that he/she was the person giving instructions regarding the funeral arrangements.

May have been a family member, or not.


It's a strange one this......was the name or address relevant?

Jude

Here's an example of "female/male" kids.
The requirement is that the birth be rego'ed within 6 wks, not that the child be named within 6 wks. In fact, if you look at a pre-1969 b.cert, there's a column (# 10) for "Name entered after registration" - a baptismal certificate or sworn affidavit was usually produced.

Births Sep 1837 (>99%)
Slater Ann Leigh 21 347
Cleworth Female Leigh 21 347 ************ Sarah
PARTINGTON Male Leigh 21 347 ************ Joseph
Speakman James Leigh 21 347
EDWARDS Catharine Leigh 21 347
WARD Ellen Leigh 21 347
WARD George Leigh 21 347
LEIGH Female Leigh 21 347 ************ Elizabeth Alice
Wood Male Leigh 21 347 ************ Ralph
Marsh John Leigh 21 347


Here is the local index entries for those 10 entries.
I checked with the LancsBMD transcriber, and the above 4 names were all gotten from col 10, but presumably the GRO wasn't notified in time for these names to make it into the index (and there's no footnoted ammendments either).

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1837
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SLATER Ann Culcheth Wigan & Leigh RAMSDALE CUL/1/1
CLEWORTH Sarah Culcheth Wigan & Leigh MARSH CUL/1/2
PARTINGTON Joseph Culcheth Wigan & Leigh UNSWORTH CUL/1/3
SPEAKMAN James Culcheth Wigan & Leigh HAYES CUL/1/4
EDWARDS Catherine Culcheth Wigan & Leigh SNAPE CUL/1/5
WARD George Culcheth Wigan & Leigh TOWNLEY CUL/1/6
WARD Ellen Culcheth Wigan & Leigh TOWNLEY CUL/1/7
LEIGH Elizabeth Alice Culcheth Wigan & Leigh URMSTON CUL/1/8
WOOD Ralph Culcheth Wigan & Leigh SILCOCK CUL/1/9
MARSH John Culcheth Wigan & Leigh MEADWRIGHT CUL/1/10

My g gran's step-mother-to-be got into a child support dispute with her dad, and she refused to name the child until the matter was resolved when he wed her - the child was 3 when he was finally named.
Incidentally, the child became legitimate upon the marriage of his parents.

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A worker in a coal mine can be called a miner, but he might be called a hewer.
There were other occupations underground, the most common of these is fireman (looking after a fire at the foot of a ventilation shaft to create a draft in the mine).

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I was scheduled to be born in a London hospital in 1943.
However, the maternity wing of my hospital was evacuated to Oxfordshire, so a week before my due-date, my mum went to Oxford where I was born.
My dad cycled down on the weekend after I was born. He had bother finding the place as all the signposts had been removed to confuse German paratroopers, so he asked a local the way.
The local said "hang on, I'll get a map and show you" but he actualy went in and phoned the cops saying there's a German spy outside - as my dad did have quite a strong accent.
A local PC arrived shortly thereafter, but he could tell the difference between an Aachen accent and an Aberdeen accent. , and he rode off with my dad for 5 min to set him on his way.
The place was a country house which had been taken over. I went back 50 y later, and it was then a NHS nursing home.

For d.cert informant info, see:
http://home.claranet.co.uk/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm#COL9

A decade back, my bro died of cancer, He'd had discussions with his wife and kids about the funeral. A close friend and former business partner helped by making all the funeral arrangements. He was a qualified informant as the person causing the body to be cremated, although the registrar really prefers a close relly as the informant. I accompanied his wife to the registrar. We were both qualified as being in attendance, and I was also present at the death. His wife rego'ed the death.

Please could someone do a 1939 look up.
North Sherwood street, Nottingham,
Eliza K Scott 1907
John Scott 1904

I am hoping they might be related to my grandmother Mary Letitia Scott, Greyghost very kindly look her up for me before:

greyghost Report Mark this as answered 4 May 2016 10:07
1939 register shows 1909 as her year of birth

Scott Household (1 Person)
127 North Sherwood Street , Nottingham C.B., Nottinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Mary L Scott 18 Jun 1909 Female Waitress Single 29 1


Previously we thought that her DOB On her marriage cert is 18/06/1908 NOT 1908. I am still trying to find her birth and I'm thinking maybe John might be her brother? His YOB is 1904.
On her marriage cert her father is Fank Scott, deceased coal miner.

Thank you in advance :-)

Scott Household (4 People) 123 North Sherwood Street , Nottingham C.B., Nottinghamshire, England

John Scott 12 Jan 1904 Male Painter And Seaffold Hw Married
Eliza K Scott 04 May 1907 Female Unpaid House Duti Married
Betty Bates (Gough,Scott) 05 Aug 1930 Female School Age Single
Closed Record
Desmond Hawke 12 May 1909 Male Van Driver Married
Closed Record

Thank you, I suppose there is a chance that John/Eliza/Mary might be related then as they live very close. I would guess that John might be her brother.

Any ideas on how I could search for John 1904 and Mary 1908/9 as siblings on 1911? I have had no luck looking for Mary with Frank/Francis as her father.

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1928 (>99%)

Cooke Eliza K Scott Nottingham 7b 734
Scott John Cooke Nottingham 7b 734

Andy

It's odd the way the numbers run- number 127 is not listed next to 125.

On the page with Mary, the numbers run 113, 115, 117, 127, 63

then turning onto the next page numbers are 121, 123, 129, 131

I don't have a lot of time to look at John- will try and look later.

Thanks Andy and Austin.
Maybe I can order John/Eliza's marriage cert to see if his father is Frank, unless there is another way to find that out.

The numbers are strange.

There is a John born in Notts quarter one, I need to find him on a census with Mary.

She isn't the only one in the household:

These are all the people listed at the same address, but listed as separate households. So it seems likely she was renting a room.

Lily Dickens 05 Apr 1899 Female Housewife Married
John Dickens 22 Feb 1887 Male Lorry Driver Married
Closed Record
Adelaide Barnett 28 May 1904 Female Alteration Hand
Mary L Scott 18 Jun 1909 Female Waitress Single
Harry W Summers 09 Feb 1907 Male General Labourer Heavy Worker Married
Amy Summers 19 Mar 1908 Female Unpaid House Duties Married
Catherine Key 19 Feb 1872 Female Domestic Single
Robert Bramley 23 Feb 1895 Male Electric Crane Driver Married
Closed record

Ok thanks, that makes sense. Just wish I could find her birth record.

No luck with finding a John Scott born 1904+/-1 or Mary 1908/1909 living together as siblings in 1911.
Where they do appear in the same areas they are in different sub districts. :-S

Hi does anybody know if the YOB on the 1939 registers is accurate?
Is it a bit like the census where it depends on what time on year it's completed, the date is correct but the year if different.

Also does anyone have free access to 1911 census? I have spent a small fortune on look ups and would like to see the household of John Scott in Nottingham DOB 1904.

I am hoping to trace it back to his father and possibly his fathers brothers if to find a Frank Scott.

Thank you.

John Scott
1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Nottinghamshire
Year
1911
Birth Year
1903
Age
8
Registration District
Nottingham
Registration District Number
430
SubDistrict Number
1
Where Born
Notts Nottingham

John Henry Scott
1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Nottinghamshire
Year
1911
Birth Year
1903
Age
8
Registration District
Mansfield
Registration District Number
428
SubDistrict Number
4
Where Born
Sutton in Ashfield Notts


John W Scott
1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Nottinghamshire
Year
1911
Birth Year
1903
Age
8
Registration District
Mansfield
Registration District Number
428
SubDistrict Number
5
Where Born
Derbyshire Staveley

Transcription
Henry John Scott
1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Nottinghamshire
Year
1911
Birth Year
1903
Age
8
Registration District
Southwell
Registration District Number
431
SubDistrict Number
1
Where Born
Bulcote Notts
Image
Transcription
Robert J F Scott
1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Nottinghamshire
Year
1911
Birth Year
1904
Age
7
Registration District
Nottingham
Registration District Number
430
SubDistrict Number
4
Where Born
Notts Nottingham

There seems to be a Frank Scott in Mansfield age 33, I'm wondering if they are in the same household?

nsus for England & Wales
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Nottinghamshire
Year
1911
Birth Year
1878
Age
33
Registration District
Mansfield
Registration District Number
428
SubDistrict Number
4
Where Born
Notts Sutton in Ash
Image
Transcription

I wonder if this is the Frank Scott listed as her father on her marriage certificate? It ties in with John Henry Scott but I don't know if they're in the same household.

Mary Alice Scott
1911 Census for England & Wales
Registration District
Mansfield
Registration District Number
428
SubDistrict Number
2
Where Born
Shirebrook Derby
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Nottinghamshire
Year
1911
Birth Year
1908
Age
3

Margery Mary Guirdham Scott
1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Nottinghamshire
Year
1911
Birth Year
1908
Age
3
Registration District
Worksop
Registration District Number
427
SubDistrict Number
4
Where Born
Whitwell Derbyshire

But both have wrong Reg district and sub!

That Frank 1878 on 1911 is Single, Son of below...

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Sutton in Ashfield
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 19 Oct 1881
Birth date 15 Dec 1877
Person forename Frank
Person abode Mount St
Father forename Henry
Father surname SCOTT
Father occupation Fwk
Mother forename Jane

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above link)

Chris :)

1911 (Find My Past)
Harry Scott Head Married Male Cottons Patent Frame Hand 59 1852 Notts Sutton in Ash
Jane Scott Wife Married Female - 58 1853 Notts Nuncargate
Frank Scott Son Single Male Bricklayer 33 1878 Notts Sutton in Ash
Eliza Ann Scott Daughter Single Female House Work 27 1884 Notts Sutton in Ash
Ethel Scott Daughter Single Female - 19 1892 Notts Sutton in Ash
Address 28 Langford Street Sutton In Ashfield Nottinghamshire
Parish Sutton in Ashfield
County Nottinghamshire
Census reference RG14 PN20320 RG78 PN1218 RD428 SD4 ED9 SN255
(says Married 35yrs, 7 children born, 3 living, 4 died)

Thank you for looking, grrrr that's so annoying! I'm running out of leads now :-/