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In the 1881 census there are 3 married couples. The elder pair and James and Samuel their married sons. Eleanor****** is down daughter in law with a ditto for Charlotte.

Too many children in the ages for 1 woman. :-S

********Edit may be Selena not Eleanor poor image re AustinQ's find.

Birth for Charlotte - Stafford Walsall (Walsall was in Staffordshire until the early 1970s)

Oh dear.

:-(

It was supposed to provide a better life for orphans and children whose parents could not look after them. The reality was often very different!

If you google British Home children there is lots of information.
http://www.bifhsgo.ca/cpage.php?pt=13

I wondered if this was Lotties' siblings leaving on the ship 'Lake Superior'? Perhaps Henrietta was Esther?? Or maybe Walter and Samuel are just coincidence? I think it's worth looking into it.

http://www.bifhsgo.ca/cstm_homeChildren.php?page=14&sortCol=sna&srch=
BLOOMER Henrietta NA Lake Superior 1886 06 15 Ontario
Record Detail BLOOMER Samuel NA Lake Superior 1886 06 15 Ontario
Record Detail BLOOMER Walter NA Lake Superior 1886 06 15 New Brunswick

If we find anything to confirm if the children went to Canada, the Central Library in Birmingham holds some fantastic records for the Middlemore children.

It was 27 Frederick St and not Francis Street.

Wolverhampton Street is 1 side of the Walsall Canal going towards the New Art Gallery. The other side of the canal at the gallery end is Marsh St which leads into Navigation St and 1st right off there is Frederick St. The street goes almost parallel to Wolverhampton St, it goes back towards Pleck Rd, it comes out in Bridgeman Street.

As the crow flies a short distance but in reality you have to skirt the canal.

Guess who grew up just off Wolverhampton Rd and used to walk into town via Wolverhampton Rd and Wolverhampton St.
:-)

For what kind of reason would they of been sent there for?

1891 Canada census

Name: Samuel Bloomer
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 10
Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head-of-house: Domestic
Religion: Methodist
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Province: Ontario
District Number: 68
District: Grey North
Subdistrict: Sarawak
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles W Allen 34
Alice A Allen 27
Luis Charles Allen 3
Florence G Allen 1
Samuel Bloomer 10

I was wondering if, like some of my family, they were sent to Canda from Middlemore or barnado homes?

1891 census of Canada

Name: Walter Bloomer
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 11
Birth Year: abt 1880
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head-of-house: Domestic
Religion: Church of England
French Canadian: No
Province: New Brunswick
District Number: 12
District: Carleton
Subdistrict: Woodstock
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
S J Carman 68
Sarah A Carman 76
Fanny L Carman 62
Walter Bloomer 11

Walter Henry Bloomer
Married - Phoebe Perrins
Stourbridge
1914

I think x

What on earth happened to all these 'extra' children after the 1881 census ????

I can't find 'any' of them !!! :-S

Dea x

EDIT:

Deaths Sep 1884 (>99%)
Bloomer George De Boscoe 1 Aston 6d 217

Dea x

This has been so helpful! Cant believe it looks as though with your help Ive discovered a secret family cover up with the illgetimacy of Florence and other children that nobody in our family knew about!!

I did start to notice that David seemed to be on a few census's including when florence was married he lived with her and her children then!

Absolutely fantastic stuff!

Thanks Everyone!

It does look most likely Mary.

Dea x

1891,1901,1911
On all census records for Lottie 1862 there is a David Smith born @ 1843 Walsall as a Lodger.
Could this be the dad to Florence !!

Maryb.

George De Boseo Bloomer in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: George De Boseo Bloomer
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 340


Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
Bloomer George De Busce Aston 6d 340



Deaths Sep 1884 (>99%)
Bloomer George De Boscoe 1 Aston 6d 217

I wonder where the "De Boscoe" came from?

Also this child:

Baptism
Name: George Basco Bloomer
Birth Date: 8 Aug 1882
Baptism Date: 13 Sep 1882
Baptism Place: Ashted, St James the Less, Warwickshire, England
Father: James Bloomer (Tailor)
Mother: Lottie Bloomer
Abode: Francis Street
Reference Number: DRO 10
Archive Roll: 637

Hmmm,

I wonder if these children were also the children of James and Charlotte/Lottie


Samuel Howard Bloomer in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Samuel Howard Bloomer
Birth Date: 6 Feb 1881
Baptism Date: 30 Mar 1881
Baptism Place: Ashted, St James the Less, Warwickshire, England
Father: James Bloomer (Tailor)
Mother: Charlotte Bloomer




Esther Emma Bloomer in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Esther Emma Bloomer
Birth Date: 18 Jan 1879
Baptism Date: 5 Feb 1879
Baptism Place: Ashted, St James the Less, Warwickshire, England
Father: James Bloomer
Mother: Charlotte Bloomer


Walter Henry Bloomer in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Walter Henry Bloomer
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1880
Baptism Date: 17 Mar 1880
Baptism Place: Ashted, St James the Less, Warwickshire, England
Father: James Bloomer (Tailor) 7 Francis Street <<<<
Mother: Charlotte Bloomer


Yes they were........


James Bloomer in the 1881 England Census
Name: James Bloomer
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Thomas Bloomer
Mother: Emma Bloomer
Gender: Male
Where born: Rugby, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 114 Ashted Row
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Journeyman Tailor
Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston


Household Members:

Thomas Bloomer 61
James Bloomer 25 (Tailor) <<<<<<
Samuel Bloomer 27
Thomas Bloomer 17
Emma Bloomer 56
Eleanor Bloomer 24
Elizabeth Bloomer 21 ********** On the image this is Charlotte (Married) Reads something like "In Law"??? Born Walsall, Staffordshire<<<<<
Frederick Bloomer 4
Horace Bloomer 3
Esther E. Bloomer 3 (Granddaughter) <<<<<<
Walter H. Bloomer 1 (Grandson)<<<<<<
Samuel H. Bloomer Under one Month (Grandson)<<<<<<



Deaths Mar 1884 (>99%)
Bloomer James 25 Aston 6d 203

Also just to add, I have on Florences marriage certificate that her middle name was may and on the baptism its down as Florence Amy - I know all the same letters are there but would this be a normal mistake on either a baptism or marriage document?

Yes, lots of people made up fathers to put on their marriage certificate!

James and Charlotte may have had other children- their marriage was in 1878.

Name: James Bloomer
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Thomas Bloomer
Mother: Emma Bloomer
Gender: Male
Where born: Rugby, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 114 Ashted Row
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Journeyman Tailor
Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3027 Folio: 51 Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Bloomer 61
James Bloomer 25
Samuel Bloomer 27
Thomas Bloomer 17
Emma Bloomer 56 Wife
Eleanor Bloomer 24
Elizabeth Bloomer 21- image says Charlotte, daughter-in-law
Frederick Bloomer 4 Grandson
Horace Bloomer 3 Grandson
Esther E. Bloomer 3 Grandaughter
Walter H. Bloomer 1 Grandson
Samuel H. Bloomer Grandson

I have Florences marriage certificate which has down the same father as Lottie - James Bloomer

I have just noticed on the marriage certificates that Florence is listed as 19 in 1903 when she wed so would make both Lottie and Florence born in 1884 :-S confused! However as you say if Florence was born 1887 James died in 1884 so would of have had to of been illegitimate.

If this was the case would they of been able to put James down as the father on the marriage certificate if he wasn't?

Think it is definitely worth me purchasing the birth certificates as this is getting interesting.

Had not picked up Florrie on the 1891 census thank you this is great, it shows that Lottie was not living with her mother at the time of the incident.

Apologies Austin - I slightly confused myself there - I meant the williams family (adoptees) living in Frederick Street, Walsall

and it was Lotties father died in Francis Street, in Birmingham :-S :-)

Thanks again everybody! x

I presume Florence was illegitimate:

Baptism:
First name(s) Florence Amy
Last name Bloomer
Gender Female
Birth year 1887
Baptism year 1887
Baptism date 1887
Residence Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Place St John
County Staffordshire
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Lottie
Mother's last name Bloomer (Spinster)