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The one belonging to parents James + Margaret was born during that Quarter and we have discounted her:

Name: Mary Anne Pickles
Birth Date: 10 Sep 1886
Parish: Haworth, St Michael and All Angels
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Baptism Date: 31 Oct 1886
Father: James Pickles
Mother: Margaret Pickles

Dea x

We are going off marriage certificate , death notice and census details. We have no birth certificate as the lady was tracking the wrong Mary Ann pickles.
I suppose it could be that one you have found because she was born at the end quarter of 1886. There isn't much choice only her and one other for howarth area with middle name Ann or Annie in 1886/7 .
I suppose she could take a risk and get the certificate of this 1886 one. I will ask if she remembers when Mary,s birthday was...that would help . :-)

Thank you Dea,

Was the Mary your looking for definitely born 1887 or are you just going by census and marriage record?

I was just finding one around that date and one that was missing in 1911 census around Howarth.

That is why I came up with the one born to William Pickles and Mary Hannah Pickles nee Hollings.

Maryb.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
7, Pickles Hill, Keighley, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Pickles Head Married Male 26 1865 Worsted Weaving Overlooker Oakworth, Yorkshire, England
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Mary H Pickles Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Stanbury, Yorkshire, England
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Bancroft Pickles Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Oakworth, Yorkshire, England
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Mary Pickles Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Oakworth, Yorkshire, England
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John T Pickles Son - Male 3 1888 - Oakworth, Yorkshire, England
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Elsie Pickles Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Oakworth, Yorkshire, England

Dea x

Please could someone put more detail on that William pickles 1891 census if possible? On freebmd there is one in 1886...so if it's not the 1887 Keighley Mary Ann it should in theory be the December quarter 1886 Keighley one...am I clutching at straws ? Still wondering if William was her dad why she didn't name him on her wedding cert. :-S :-)

Hi
So is this William pickles and Mary hollings? Living together ...is she still down as hollings ? :-S. Confused.... :-)

Thanks dea
Can't find another Mary Ann born that year or thereabouts so it could be this one. Can't understand though why she wouldn't put her dad's name on her wedding certificate then. Very strange . I was expecting a fatherless Mary Anne .....unless James was her step dad ....maybe we will never know. I will tell Kathleen...who incidentally is the girl in the article who was run over...that she perhaps needs to try the Mary Anne pickles born in Keighley district birth certificate to see what it says.
:-)

Thanks dea
Can't find another Mary Ann born that year or thereabouts so it could be this one. Can't understand though why she wouldn't put her dad's name on her wedding certificate then. Very strange . I was expecting a fatherless Mary Anne .....unless James was her step dad ....maybe we will never know. I will tell Kathleen...who incidentally is the girl in the article who was run over...that she perhaps needs to try the Mary Anne pickles born in Keighley district birth certificate to see what it says.
:-)

The one above was still with parents 1911 at 38,mytholmes lane Haworth.

This one looks possible.

1891 7,Pickles Hill Kly D8 >7 this is Oakworth/Haworth area.
William Pickles born Oakworth 1865
Mary h 1861 Stanbury (Mary Hannah Hollings)
Bancroft 1885 Oakworth
Mary 1886.

1901 in Glusburn Mary is a Cotton Weaver same as 1911.
1911 William was a weaving overlooker and family but no Mary !!.

William Pickles was the son of John of Pickles Hill and Susannah Pickles she was nee Bancroft and first married John Wallbank.

Maryb.

There is this one?


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Mill Hey, Haworth, Keighley, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Pickles Head Married Male 32 1859 Warp Twister Haworth, Yorkshire, England
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Maggie Pickles Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Kendal, Westmorland, England
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Mary Ann Pickles Daughter Single Female 4 1887 Scholar Haworth, Yorkshire, England
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Frances Pickles Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - Haworth, Yorkshire, England
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Harry Pickles Son Single Male 1 1890 - Haworth, Yorkshire, England
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Ann Huddlestone Sister In Law Single Female 23 1868 Worsted Weaver Kendal, Westmorland, England
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William Huddlestone Brother In Law Single Male 19 1872 Wool Sorter Kendal, Westmorland, England
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Isabella Huddlestone Sister In Law Single Female 14 1877 Worsted Spinner Haworth, Yorkshire, England

Dea x

EDIT: Sorry Shirley - this is NOT the one !!!

Dea x

Thinking then that the only Mary Annie pickles she could be is the one born in Keighley district in 1887 December quarter. Howarth is in that district. So that narrows it down to one possible hopefully. And if there is anyone out there who can find Mary Annie or Mary Anne pickles in the 1891 age 4 born howarth or Keighley that would be great. :-)

Of course I am assuming that Thomas royles is also pickles when you look at the census page ? He may really be royles? :-S :-)

Thinking maybe margaret radcliffe could be Mary Annie's aunty then ..or Henry radcliffe? There are things to go on anyway. Think will try to track Thomas pickles. (Royles)...he could be brother to Mary Annie. Perhaps they put widow on census to cover up that she was single with a child ? ;-) :-)

He was a little younger than he claimed on marriage:


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10 Adamson Street Padiham Near Burnley, Padiham, Lancashire, England

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Thomas Hope Head Married Male Labourer Paviors 43 1868 Padiham Lans
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Margaret A Hope Wife Married Female Home Work 43 1868 Padiham Lans
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Annie E Hope Daughter Single Female Ring Spinner 20 1891 Padiham Lans
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Henry Hope Son Single Male General Labourer 18 1893 Padiham Lans
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Mary Alice Hope Daughter - Female School 12 1899 Padiham Lans
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Edith Annie Hope Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Padiham Lans
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Thomas Hope Son - Male School 7 1904 Padiham Lans
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Bridget Hope Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Padiham Lans
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John Hope Son - Male - 3 1908 Padiham Lans

Dea x

Hi safc
Wondering if there is a connection to the radcliffes? Strange how it says widow...but no dad's name on William victors birth certificate. Wondering now if she ever even got married before...apparently on marriage certificate she was a spinster ....but at least we have managed to discover them on the 1911 ...great detective work .
:-) :-D

Marriage: 23 Nov 1912 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England
Henry Hope - 21, Labourer, Bachelor, 10, Adamson Street Padiham
Mary Annie Pickles - 25, Spinster, 2, Back Guy Street Padiham
Groom's Father: Thomas Hope, Labourer
Witness: James Seddon; Mary Seddon
Married by Banns by: F. A. Jones
Notes: [Bride's father not named]
Register: Marriages 1903 - 1913, Page 227, Entry 453
Source: Original Parish Register

Baptism: 2 Sep 1913 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England
Thomas Henry Hope - [Child] of Henry Hope & Mary Annie
Born: 12 Aug 1913
Abode: 4 Rimington Row, Padiham
Occupation: Collier
Notes: P.B. [In margin]
Baptised by: Arthur E. Mills
Register: Baptisms 1908 - 1916, Page 134, Entry 1068
Source: Original Parish Register

Burial: 22 Sep 1913 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England
Thomas Henry Hope -
Age: 1 month
Abode: 4 Rimmington Row Padiham
Grave: 111/7/41
Buried by: T. W. Hodson
Register: Burials 1907 - 1923, Page 128, Entry 1023
Source: Original Parish Register

Dea x

(saw below)

Chris :)

19 July 1947 - Burnley Express - Burnley, Lancashire, England

PADIHAM NEWS
Girl Injured. A schoolgirl Kathleen Pickles (13). of 15. Anne's-street daughter of' Mr. William Victor Pickles was involved a collision, on Wednesday afternoon in Burnley road, with a trailer used for conveying prefabricated houses. She was attended by Dr. Walker and conveyed in the ambulance to Burnley Victoria Hospital, where she was found to be suffering from a broken right leg and facial injuries.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
95 Ramsey St Rochdale, Rochdale, Lancashire, England

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Henry Radcliffe Head Married Male Labourer Out Of Work General 44 1867 Lanc Burnley
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Margaret Radcliffe Wife Married Female - 40 1871 Lanc Burnley
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John Henry Radcliffe Son Single Male Cotton Weaver 22 1889 Lanc Burnley
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Alice Maud Radcliffe Daughter Single Female Cotton Weaver 21 1890 Lanc Burnley
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Lily Radcliffe Daughter - Female School 13 1898 Lanc Burnley
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Harold Radcliffe Son - Male School 11 1900 Lanc Burnley
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Herbert Radcliffe Son - Male School 9 1902 Lanc Burnley
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William Radcliffe Son - Male School 7 1904 Lanc Burnley
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Edgar Radcliffe Son - Male School 6 1905 Lanc Burnley
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Thomas Royles Nephew Single Male Labourer Out Of Work General 25 1886 Lanc Burnley
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Mary Ann Pickles Boarder Widow Female Cotton Weaver 23 1888 Yorks Howarth Parsh
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William Victor Pickles Son - Male - 0 1911 Lanc Walsden

What house would that be in Walsden?

Edit,
Found her and William
1911 95,Ramsay Street Rochdale
Mary Ann Royles a widow born Howarth 1888 it actually says PICKLES on original a cotton weaver.
William Victor Royles (Pickles) 3 months old.

Maryb.

This ladies Mary Ann is often referred to as Mary Annie if this helps. :-)