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SylviaInCanada
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10 Apr 2016 00:21 |
Thank you!
I'm now trying to find Samuel's baptism ........... not under Pratt or Spratt
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10 Apr 2016 00:20 |
Yes, I saw that one, and also thought it a possible even probable but wonder where Caroline was and her connection with the Dyes?
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AustinQ
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10 Apr 2016 00:20 |
Nice work Sylvia
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10 Apr 2016 00:16 |
The same transcription as Spratt is on FreeReg.
There are actually 2 records on FreeReg, this is the second one, with a little more information, including the fact that Caroline says Spinster ............
County Lincolnshire Place Carlby Church name St Stephen Register type Unspecified Register entry number 13 Marriage date 10 Jun 1844 Groom forename Samuel Groom surname SPRATT Groom age Minor Groom condition Bachelor Groom abode Carlby Groom parish Carlby Groom occupation Labourer Bride forename Caroline Bride surname SMITH Bride age full age Bride condition Spinster Bride abode Carlby Bride parish Carlby Witness1 forename Samuel Witness1 surname CHRISTIAN Witness2 forename Sarah Witness2 surname KETTLE Notes Both made their mark - Fathers of both parties described as deceased
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10 Apr 2016 00:13 |
Possible?
1841 Name: William Smith Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Gender: Male Where born: Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Carlby Hundred: Ness County/Island: Lincolnshire Registration district: Bourne Sub-registration district: Bourne Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 616 Book: 2 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Dye 60 Elizabeth Dye 55 Henry Longfoot 75 William Smith 3<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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SylviaInCanada
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10 Apr 2016 00:09 |
Austin ............
you may be correct
I've been trying to find William either in the 1841 or after a851, to see if that helps ......... but have had no success!
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SylviaInCanada
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10 Apr 2016 00:07 |
I looked at the spreadsheet for the marriage ......... and it does not say that Caroline was a Widow, and there was no other comment.
so how does Robinson, which I presume Barry got from Albert's birth certificate, fit with Smith on the marriage?
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10 Apr 2016 00:04 |
I wonder if he made a mistake- it was son Albert that married Robinson?
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SylviaInCanada
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10 Apr 2016 00:02 |
Thanks for looking Austin!
I THINK that William Pratt age 15 on the 1851 Census was Caroline's child, from a previous marriage?
Note that the marriage say that Samuel married Caroline Smith, but the mother's maiden name according to Barry's OP is Robinson
so did Caroline Robinson marry a Mr Smith, and when?
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9 Apr 2016 23:54 |
However- the marriage that Andy put up earlier is transcribed as Spratt on http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/
10th June 1844 Parish Carlby Samuel Spratt father deceased Caroline Smith father deceased
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9 Apr 2016 23:41 |
It definitely doesn't say 'Bratt' , and - looking at another capital S on the page I don't think it says 'Spratt' either. I think it is likely to be Pratt
FMP transcription on the same 1841 census:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Halfway House Dg Fen, Deeping Fen, Bourne, Lincolnshire, England
Joseph Ewen Male 35 1806 Lincolnshire, England Jane Ewen Female 30 1811 Lincolnshire, England John Stubs Male 25 1816 Lincolnshire, England Samuel Spratt Male 15 1826 Lincolnshire, England Jane Mesures Female 15 1826 Lincolnshire, England
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9 Apr 2016 23:27 |
I THINK this is Samuel in 1841 ............. it does look like Pratt on the image, but perhaps someone else would like to check.
1841 Census
Name: Samuel Bratt Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Fen Deeping Hundred: Ness County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England
Registration district: Bourne Sub-registration district: Deeping
Piece: 617 Book: 2 Folio: 5 Page Number: 3
John Stabs 25 Male Servant Samuel Bratt 15 Male Servant Jane Mesures 15 Female Servant
Address:- Farm, Halfway House (???next word)
They're all working for Joseph Ewen, Farmer
In this context, Male Servant usually means Agricultural Labourer, or other job on a farm.
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9 Apr 2016 23:19 |
This is the 1851 Census from ancestry, which show's Samuel's birth place and occupation ............
1851 Census
Name: Samuel Pratt Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Caroline Pratt Gender: Male Where born: St Jas Deeping, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Deeping St James Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England
Registration district: Bourn Sub-registration district: Corby ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Household schedule number: 200 Piece: 2095 Folio: 723 Page Number: 44
Samuel Pratt 26 no occupation shown Caroline Pratt 29 b.ca 1822, Carlby, Lincolnshire William Pratt 12 b.ca 1839, Carlby, Lincolnshire, Blind John Pratt 4 b.ca 1847, St Jas Deeping, Lincolnshire George Pratt 2 b.ca 1849, St Jas Deeping, Lincolnshire Infant 2 Wks b.ca 1851, St Jas Deeping, Lincolnshire
Address:- St James Deeping
Note that William Pratt has a note added that he was Blind
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9 Apr 2016 22:45 |
Actually - the first article states he was 46 years old!
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9 Apr 2016 22:40 |
Barry - its best to reply on the thread rather than by PM.
You asked for the name and date for the newspaper article - inquest for the sudden death in 1877
There are reports 2 for the same incident.
Previews iKprsev.—Uu Wednesday, the met., Mrs. Fowler's, the Crane inn. was held Ix-luro Mr. Selby. J. coroner, on view of the body Samuel Pratt, labourer, who died suddenly the field previous day. His brother, Pratt, that and deceased were working together the farm September 25, 1877 - Lincolnshire Free Press - Spalding, Lincolnshire, England
the 20tli inst., at .Mrs. Fowler's, the inn, Deeping St. James, before F. T. Selby, Esq., deputy coroner, on the body of Samuel Pratt, labourer, of Deeping (late. —George Pratt deposed that he and deceased (his brother) were working together on the farm
September 28, 1877 - Stamford Mercury - Stamford, Lincolnshire, England ........ If you believe it to be the correct person but don't have access to the BNA on Genes or elsewhere, I can download and forward by PM.
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9 Apr 2016 22:36 |
Just to add to the confusion 'a' Samuel Pratt was a witness for the prosecution in a case of drunk-driving which was committed in Deeping St James on 16 Nov 1912. As he helped to move the vehicle, this Samuel was probably a lot younger than someone in his 90s!
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9 Apr 2016 22:23 |
Freereg lists 2 burials 1871-1900
The year of birth for this one c1827 Field Value County LIN Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Register entry number 205 Burial date 22 Sep 1877 Person age 60 Burial person forename Samuel Burial person surname PRATT Burial person abode Deeping Gate Maxey Notes J George Vicar
There is a newspaper report of his inquest. Apparently he'd been working in the fields with his brother - George Pratt - when he dropped down dead. ..........
The second entry is Field Value County LIN Place Skirbeck Church name St Nicholas Register type Register entry number 850 Burial date 08 Sep 1896 Person age 73 Burial person forename Samuel Burial person surname PRATT Burial person abode Holy Trinity
Ancestry links him to a Samuel Pratt who was born in Northamptonshire & who married the widow Martha Benaton in 1881 Samuel Pratt Registration Year: 1881 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Boston Inferred County: Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 794 Records on Page: Name Martha Benaton Samuel Pratt
1881 prior to their marriage Samuel Pratt Age: 59 Estimated birth year: abt 1822 Relationship to Head: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Brigstock, Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Boston County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street address: 16 Archer Lane Marital Status: Widower Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Farm Labourer Registration district: Boston ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3217 Folio: 113 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Martha Bennett 53 Samuel Pratt 59
1891 Samuel Pratt Age: 68 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Martha Pratt Gender: Male Where born: Bridgestock, Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Wyberton Ecclesiastical parish: Wyberton Town: Wyberton County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Boston ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2570 Folio: 54 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Pratt 68 Martha Pratt 63
If you are sure your Samuel was born in Lincolnshire, then obviously this one is not your man
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9 Apr 2016 21:53 |
Baptisms from Freereg, Deeping St James from 1839
County LIN Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Register entry number 362 Baptism date 20 Oct 1844 Person forename John Person sex M Person abode Deeping St James Father forename Samuel Father surname PRATT Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Caroline
His burial? Field Value County LIN Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Register entry number 448 Burial date 28 Apr 1845 Person age Infant Burial person forename John Burial person surname PRATT Burial person abode Deeping St James ............ County LIN Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Register entry number 466 Baptism date 5 May 1846 Person forename John Person sex M Person abode Deeping St James Father forename Samuel Father surname PRATT Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Caroline
County LIN Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Register entry number 652 Baptism date 8 Oct 1848 Person forename George Person sex M Person abode Deeping St James Father forename Samuel Father surname PRATT Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Caroline
County LIN Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Register entry number 842 Baptism date 13 Apr 1851 Person forename Albert Person sex M Person abode Deeping St James St James Father forename Samuel Father surname PRATT Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Caroline
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9 Apr 2016 21:47 |
Even though the age is 'out' - Caroline's burial?
Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Register entry number 814 Burial date 16 Nov 1855 Person age 30 Burial person forename Caroline Burial person surname PRATT Burial person abode This Parish Notes J George Vicar Page 114
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9 Apr 2016 21:45 |
Marriage?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1844 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PRATT Samuel Bourn 14 404a SMITH Caroline Bourn 14 404A
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