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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Apr 2016 00:21

Thank you!

I'm now trying to find Samuel's baptism ........... not under Pratt or Spratt

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Apr 2016 00:20

Yes, I saw that one, and also thought it a possible even probable but wonder where Caroline was and her connection with the Dyes?

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 10 Apr 2016 00:20

Nice work Sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Apr 2016 00:16

The same transcription as Spratt is on FreeReg.

There are actually 2 records on FreeReg, this is the second one, with a little more information, including the fact that Caroline says Spinster ............


County Lincolnshire
Place Carlby
Church name St Stephen
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 13
Marriage date 10 Jun 1844
Groom forename Samuel
Groom surname SPRATT
Groom age Minor
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode Carlby
Groom parish Carlby
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Caroline
Bride surname SMITH
Bride age full age
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Carlby
Bride parish Carlby
Witness1 forename Samuel
Witness1 surname CHRISTIAN
Witness2 forename Sarah
Witness2 surname KETTLE
Notes Both made their mark - Fathers of both parties described as deceased

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 10 Apr 2016 00:13

Possible?

1841
Name: William Smith
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Carlby
Hundred: Ness
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Registration district: Bourne
Sub-registration district: Bourne
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 616 Book: 2
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dye 60
Elizabeth Dye 55
Henry Longfoot 75
William Smith 3<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Apr 2016 00:09

Austin ............


you may be correct


I've been trying to find William either in the 1841 or after a851, to see if that helps ......... but have had no success!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Apr 2016 00:07

I looked at the spreadsheet for the marriage ......... and it does not say that Caroline was a Widow, and there was no other comment.


so how does Robinson, which I presume Barry got from Albert's birth certificate, fit with Smith on the marriage?

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 10 Apr 2016 00:04

I wonder if he made a mistake- it was son Albert that married Robinson?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Apr 2016 00:02

Thanks for looking Austin!

I THINK that William Pratt age 15 on the 1851 Census was Caroline's child, from a previous marriage?


Note that the marriage say that Samuel married Caroline Smith, but the mother's maiden name according to Barry's OP is Robinson

so did Caroline Robinson marry a Mr Smith, and when?

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Apr 2016 23:54

However- the marriage that Andy put up earlier is transcribed as Spratt on http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/

10th June 1844
Parish Carlby
Samuel Spratt father deceased
Caroline Smith father deceased

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Apr 2016 23:41

It definitely doesn't say 'Bratt' , and - looking at another capital S on the page I don't think it says 'Spratt' either. I think it is likely to be Pratt

FMP transcription on the same 1841 census:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Halfway House Dg Fen, Deeping Fen, Bourne, Lincolnshire, England

Joseph Ewen Male 35 1806 Lincolnshire, England
Jane Ewen Female 30 1811 Lincolnshire, England
John Stubs Male 25 1816 Lincolnshire, England
Samuel Spratt Male 15 1826 Lincolnshire, England
Jane Mesures Female 15 1826 Lincolnshire, England

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 9 Apr 2016 23:27

I THINK this is Samuel in 1841 ............. it does look like Pratt on the image, but perhaps someone else would like to check.

1841 Census

Name: Samuel Bratt
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Fen Deeping
Hundred: Ness
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bourne
Sub-registration district: Deeping

Piece: 617
Book: 2
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3

John Stabs 25 Male Servant
Samuel Bratt 15 Male Servant
Jane Mesures 15 Female Servant

Address:- Farm, Halfway House (???next word)

They're all working for Joseph Ewen, Farmer


In this context, Male Servant usually means Agricultural Labourer, or other job on a farm.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 9 Apr 2016 23:19

This is the 1851 Census from ancestry, which show's Samuel's birth place and occupation ............

1851 Census

Name: Samuel Pratt
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Pratt
Gender: Male
Where born: St Jas Deeping, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Deeping St James
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bourn
Sub-registration district: Corby
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a

Household schedule number: 200
Piece: 2095
Folio: 723
Page Number: 44

Samuel Pratt 26 no occupation shown
Caroline Pratt 29 b.ca 1822, Carlby, Lincolnshire
William Pratt 12 b.ca 1839, Carlby, Lincolnshire, Blind
John Pratt 4 b.ca 1847, St Jas Deeping, Lincolnshire
George Pratt 2 b.ca 1849, St Jas Deeping, Lincolnshire
Infant 2 Wks b.ca 1851, St Jas Deeping, Lincolnshire

Address:- St James Deeping


Note that William Pratt has a note added that he was Blind

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 9 Apr 2016 22:45

Actually - the first article states he was 46 years old!

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 9 Apr 2016 22:40

Barry - its best to reply on the thread rather than by PM.

You asked for the name and date for the newspaper article - inquest for the sudden death in 1877

There are reports 2 for the same incident.

Previews
iKprsev.—Uu Wednesday, the met., Mrs. Fowler's, the Crane inn. was held Ix-luro Mr. Selby. J. coroner, on view of the body Samuel Pratt, labourer, who died suddenly the field previous day. His brother, Pratt, that and deceased were working together the farm
September 25, 1877 - Lincolnshire Free Press - Spalding, Lincolnshire, England


the 20tli inst., at .Mrs. Fowler's, the inn, Deeping St. James, before F. T. Selby, Esq., deputy coroner, on the body of Samuel Pratt, labourer, of Deeping (late. —George Pratt deposed that he and deceased (his brother) were working together on the farm

September 28, 1877 - Stamford Mercury - Stamford, Lincolnshire, England
........
If you believe it to be the correct person but don't have access to the BNA on Genes or elsewhere, I can download and forward by PM.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 9 Apr 2016 22:36

Just to add to the confusion 'a' Samuel Pratt was a witness for the prosecution in a case of drunk-driving which was committed in Deeping St James on 16 Nov 1912.
As he helped to move the vehicle, this Samuel was probably a lot younger than someone in his 90s!

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 9 Apr 2016 22:23

Freereg lists 2 burials 1871-1900

The year of birth for this one c1827
Field Value
County LIN
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type
Register entry number 205
Burial date 22 Sep 1877
Person age 60
Burial person forename Samuel
Burial person surname PRATT
Burial person abode Deeping Gate Maxey
Notes J George Vicar

There is a newspaper report of his inquest. Apparently he'd been working in the fields with his brother - George Pratt - when he dropped down dead.
..........

The second entry is
Field Value
County LIN
Place Skirbeck
Church name St Nicholas
Register type
Register entry number 850
Burial date 08 Sep 1896
Person age 73
Burial person forename Samuel
Burial person surname PRATT
Burial person abode Holy Trinity

Ancestry links him to a Samuel Pratt who was born in Northamptonshire & who married the widow Martha Benaton in 1881
Samuel Pratt
Registration Year: 1881
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Boston
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 794
Records on Page:
Name
Martha Benaton
Samuel Pratt

1881 prior to their marriage
Samuel Pratt
Age: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Brigstock, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Boston
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: 16 Archer Lane
Marital Status: Widower
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration district: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3217
Folio: 113
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha Bennett 53
Samuel Pratt 59

1891
Samuel Pratt
Age: 68
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Pratt
Gender: Male
Where born: Bridgestock, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Wyberton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wyberton
Town: Wyberton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2570
Folio: 54
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Pratt 68
Martha Pratt 63

If you are sure your Samuel was born in Lincolnshire, then obviously this one is not your man

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 9 Apr 2016 21:53

Baptisms from Freereg, Deeping St James from 1839

County LIN
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type
Register entry number 362
Baptism date 20 Oct 1844
Person forename John
Person sex M
Person abode Deeping St James
Father forename Samuel
Father surname PRATT
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Caroline

His burial?
Field Value
County LIN
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type
Register entry number 448
Burial date 28 Apr 1845
Person age Infant
Burial person forename John
Burial person surname PRATT
Burial person abode Deeping St James
............
County LIN
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type
Register entry number 466
Baptism date 5 May 1846
Person forename John
Person sex M
Person abode Deeping St James
Father forename Samuel
Father surname PRATT
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Caroline

County LIN
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type
Register entry number 652
Baptism date 8 Oct 1848
Person forename George
Person sex M
Person abode Deeping St James
Father forename Samuel
Father surname PRATT
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Caroline

County LIN
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type
Register entry number 842
Baptism date 13 Apr 1851
Person forename Albert
Person sex M
Person abode Deeping St James St James
Father forename Samuel
Father surname PRATT
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Caroline

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 9 Apr 2016 21:47

Even though the age is 'out' - Caroline's burial?

Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type
Register entry number 814
Burial date 16 Nov 1855
Person age 30
Burial person forename Caroline
Burial person surname PRATT
Burial person abode This Parish
Notes J George Vicar Page 114

http://freereg2.freereg.org.uk

Andrew

Andrew Report 9 Apr 2016 21:45

Marriage?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1844 (>99%)
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PRATT Samuel Bourn 14 404a
SMITH Caroline Bourn 14 404A


Andy