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SylviaInCanada
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10 Apr 2016 00:16 |
The same transcription as Spratt is on FreeReg.
There are actually 2 records on FreeReg, this is the second one, with a little more information, including the fact that Caroline says Spinster ............
County Lincolnshire Place Carlby Church name St Stephen Register type Unspecified Register entry number 13 Marriage date 10 Jun 1844 Groom forename Samuel Groom surname SPRATT Groom age Minor Groom condition Bachelor Groom abode Carlby Groom parish Carlby Groom occupation Labourer Bride forename Caroline Bride surname SMITH Bride age full age Bride condition Spinster Bride abode Carlby Bride parish Carlby Witness1 forename Samuel Witness1 surname CHRISTIAN Witness2 forename Sarah Witness2 surname KETTLE Notes Both made their mark - Fathers of both parties described as deceased
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AustinQ
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10 Apr 2016 00:20 |
Nice work Sylvia
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10 Apr 2016 00:20 |
Yes, I saw that one, and also thought it a possible even probable but wonder where Caroline was and her connection with the Dyes?
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10 Apr 2016 00:21 |
Thank you!
I'm now trying to find Samuel's baptism ........... not under Pratt or Spratt
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10 Apr 2016 00:29 |
Did Caroline lie about her age???
We know from the marriage on FreeReg that Samuel was a Minor and she was Of Full Age
This is the only Caroline Smith baptism in Carlby between 1815 and 1828
County Lincolnshire Place Carlby Church name St Stephen Register type Unspecified Register entry number 43 Baptism date 10 May 1818 Person forename Caroline Person sex F Person abode Carlby Father forename William Father surname SMITH Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Elizabeth
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SylviaInCanada
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10 Apr 2016 00:34 |
I can't find a baptism for a Samuel Pratt, Spratt or Bratt!
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AustinQ
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10 Apr 2016 00:35 |
I wouldn't be surprised. I'm too tired to look at the moment- going to bed!
Oh, but just wanted to add, the William Smith on the 1841 in Carlby, - looking at the image I think he's with Henry Longfoot, not the Dyes.
I'll probably check back in the morning- night
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SylviaInCanada
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10 Apr 2016 00:48 |
night night
sleep tight
it's not even dinner time here :-)
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10 Apr 2016 00:51 |
???? a bit older
FreeReg Baptism entry on 10 Apr 2016 For information about this place follow the link to Deeping St James If you believe there to be an error in this transcription then please report it to our data manager. Field Value County Lincolnshire Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Unspecified Register entry number 352 Baptism date 10 Sep 1818 Person forename Saml Person sex M Person abode Deeping St James Father forename Wm Father surname SPRATT Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Eliz
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10 Apr 2016 01:04 |
more on the article re the death of a Samuel Pratt first posted by DET
This is from FMP ..........
iKprsev.—Uu Wednesday, the met., Mrs. Fowler's, the Crane inn. was held Ix-luro Mr. Selby. J. coroner, on view of the body Samuel Pratt, labourer, who died suddenly the field previous day. His brother, Pratt, that and deceased were working together the farm 25 September 1877 - Lincolnshire Free Press -
The farm was owned by Mr Wm Bullimore, Stow Gate, Deeping St Nicholas, and Pratt is described by the doctor as an unhealthy-looking man who had had typhoid fever 2 years prior that had laid him low for 3 months.
His brother was called George Pratt (it's missing from the precis above)
I don't know whether it is possible for someone without a sub to see the actual image from this link .........
http://search.findmypast.com.au/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0001077%2f18770925%2f056
It is the last paragraph that was interesting .........
It was stated that the jury returned their fee to the widow.
then it says ...........
Deceased was 46 years of age. It will be remembered that about two years ago, we recorded the death of John Wright by falling from a haystack on Mr Bullimore's farm, dislocating his shoulder. He was the first husband of the now second time unfortunate widowed woman.
age 46 gives a birth date of ca 1821 ............... which doesn't square with Samuel being a Minor on his marriage to Caroline?? <<<<<<<<<<< OOPS
EDIT:-
1877 - 46 = 1831, not 1821.
This guy would be too young to have married in 1844, when he would have been only 13 or 14 years old!
So this is NOT the Samuel we've been looking for, unless the age reported is wrong.
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10 Apr 2016 01:06 |
safc ..............
nice find,
although he did say he was a Minor on his marriage to Caroline in 1844, and that baptism in 1818 would have meant he was well over 21
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10 Apr 2016 01:21 |
maybe samuel did not know how old he was
if it was me i'd buy the marriage cert there might be more info on it
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10 Apr 2016 01:26 |
There is one George Pratt living in Deeping St James in 1871 .............
1871 Census
Name: George Pratt Age: 49 Estimated birth year: abt 1822 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Deeping St James, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Deeping St James Town: Deeping St James County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Bourn Sub-registration district: Deeping ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 39 Piece: 3317 Folio: 40 Page Number: 8
George Pratt 49 Widower, Ag Lab William Pratt 24 Ag Lab John Pratt 16 General Servant Mary A Pratt 13 Felice Pratt 11
Address:- Town Street
He was married to a Sophia ..........
1861 Census
Name: George Pratt Age: 39 Estimated birth year: 1822 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sophia Pratt Gender: Male Where born: Deeping St Jas, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Deeping St James County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England
Registration district: Bourn Sub-registration district: Deeping ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 144 Piece: 2319 Folio: 50 Page Number: 24
George Pratt 39 Ag Lab Sophia Pratt 29 William Pratt 13 George Pratt 6 John Pratt 5 Mary A Pratt 3 Phoebe Pratt 1
Address:- Town Street
His marriage to Sophia ............
Lincolnshire Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Unspecified Marriage date 25 Dec 1852 Groom forename George Groom surname PRATT Bride forename Sophia Bride surname PALMER Groom father forename John Groom father surname PRATT Bride father forename Philip Bride father surname PALMER Notes
but that looks like his second marriage .............
County Lincolnshire Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Unspecified Marriage date 07 Sep 1846 Groom forename George Groom surname PRATT Bride forename Harriet Bride surname SMITH Groom father forename John Groom father surname PRATT Bride father forename William Bride father surname SMITH Notes
IF this is Samuel's brother, then it looks like father was called John
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10 Apr 2016 01:32 |
George with his first wife in 1851
1851 Census
Name: George Pratt Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Harriet Pratt Gender: Male Where born: St Jas Deeping, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Deeping St James Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England
Registration district: Bourn Sub-registration district: Corby ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Household schedule number: 279 Piece: 2095 Folio: 731 Page Number: 60
George Pratt 28 Ag Lab Harriet Pratt 28 William Pratt 3
no street address shown
and then it looks as though he married a third time .........
1881 Census
Name: George Pratt Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Sarah Pratt Gender: Male Where born: Deeping, Lincoln, England Civil Parish: Deeping St James County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Ag Lab Registration district: Bourn ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 3199 Folio: 46 Page Number: 21
George Pratt 60 Sarah Pratt 51 Saml. Pratt 8 Son
no street address shown
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10 Apr 2016 01:38 |
??? The 3rd marriage ......
Marriages Sep 1871 (>99%)
Haywood Sarah Bourn 7a 499 Pratt George Bourn 7a 499
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10 Apr 2016 04:10 |
In case this is the John Pratt who is shown to be the father of George, and in case George is indeed the brother of Samuel ...................
possible burial for John Pratt????
County Lincolnshire Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Unspecified Register entry number 504 Burial date 12 Dec 1826 Person age 30 Burial person forename John Burial person surname PRATT Burial person abode Deeping St James
???? marriage for John Pratt
County Lincolnshire Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Unspecified Register entry number 96 Marriage date 20 Aug 1820 Groom forename John Groom surname PRATT Groom condition Bachelor Groom parish Deeping St James Fen Bride forename Sarah Bride surname SMITH Bride condition Spinster Bride parish Deeping St James St James Witness1 forename A. Witness1 surname NAPEN? Witness2 forename John Witness2 surname KIMBERLEY Notes Married by Banns. Officiating clergyman was Rev J MOSSOP Curate
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10 Apr 2016 04:22 |
Well, this burial does NOT match the age given in the report in the paper of the inquest on Samuel Pratt, even though it occurs 2 days after the report of the inquest
is it the same guy or another one???
County Lincolnshire Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Unspecified Register entry number 205 Burial date 22 Sep 1877 Person age 60 Burial person forename Samuel Burial person surname PRATT Burial person abode Deeping Gate Maxey Notes J George Vicar
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10 Apr 2016 04:44 |
This looks to be the baptism record for the Samuel buried in 1877 age 60 ...........
County Lincolnshire Place Deeping St James Church name St James Register type Unspecified Register entry number 352 Baptism date 10 Sep 1818 Person forename Saml Person sex M Person abode Deeping St James Father forename Wm Father surname SPRATT Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Eliz
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10 Apr 2016 04:48 |
Re the marriage of John Pratt and Sarah Smith in 1820, posted earlier ...........
FMP has the actual Parish registers.
Lincolnshire, Parish Registers Surname Search, 1695-1911
The image shows that John was of the Parish of Deeping Fen, and was a Bachelor.
He signed his name. Sarah made her mark.
The witnesses were A Mossop (???) and John Kimberley .......
.... John Kimberley appeared to be a "professional" witness, and A Mossop had the same surname as the Curate, so neither was an apparent relation of either bride or groom
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10 Apr 2016 05:05 |
Lincolnshire, Parish Registers Surname Search, 1695-1911
Pratt 1844 Deeping St James Baptisms
John Pratt son of Samuel and aroline, baptised October 20 1844, Samuel occupation Labourer. There are 3 names written quite faintly above the surname, as does every other birth on 2 pages.
I think they might be the names of the Godparents ...... and if so, might confirm the marriage of Sarah Pratt widow of John Pratt to Joseph Tyler, and thus be 1 tiny conformation of the parentage of Samuel
The names are, I think ............
Joseph Tyler, John Spires or Shires? and Cathr Smith
Pratt 1845 Deeping St James Burials
John Pratt, Infant, buried April 20 1845
Pratt 1846 Deeping St James Baptisms
John Pratt, son of Samuel and Caroline, baptised May 6 1846, Father Labourer
Names again written in, but very faint, and I can only make out a surname Pratt for one of the 2 men and Cath Smith
Pratt 1848 Deeping St James Baptisms
George Pratt, son of Samuel and Caroline, baptised Oct 8 1848, Father Labourer.
Names written in are David Smith, Saml Pratt and Mary Ann Smith
Pratt 1855 Deeping St James Burials
Caroline Pratt, buried November 16, age 30
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