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6 Apr 2016 14:05 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Penny Farm, Birchwood Lane, Alfreton, Belper, Derbyshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Ralph Carrington Head Married Male 34 1847 Coal Miner Somercotes, Derbyshire, England Transcription Sarah Carrington Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Wessington, Derbyshire, England Transcription Joseph Williamson Carrington Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar - Transcription Albert Carrington Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar - Transcription Ann Elizabeth Carrington Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar - Transcription James Carrington Son Single Male 3 1878 Scholar - Transcription Eliza Carrington Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - - Transcription Joseph Wilkinson Lodger Single Male 23 1858 Coal Miner Shirland, Derbyshire, England
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Olive Jean
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6 Apr 2016 14:00 |
Hi I hope I have this right So Elizabeth Charles born 1880 Derbyshire was John Charles and Sarah Charles nee Cooper daughter
That's why Sarah Charles and Alfretta MO Handley are on the Darringtons 1911 Census So Ann Cooper (Hill ) Darrington are related
I wonder when Eliabeth went to South Africa I have tried the Webb Site for the S A National Archives to maybe find the Marriage but no luck Thankyou so much the jigsaw goes on !! Olive
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6 Apr 2016 13:55 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Birchwood Lane, Alfreton, Belper, Derbyshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Darrington Head - Male 69 1802 - Derbyshire, England Transcription Ann Darrington Wife - Female 65 1806 - Derbyshire, England Transcription Lidia Leivers Daughter - Female 28 1843 - Derbyshire, England Transcription Pheby Darrington Granddaughter - Female 9 1862 - Derbyshire, England Transcription Ralph Darrington Son Lodger - Male 24 1847 - Derbyshire, England Transcription Sarah Darrington Wife - Female 2 1869 - Derbyshire, England Transcription Joseph Wm Darrington Son - Male 2 1869 - Derbyshire, England
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6 Apr 2016 13:39 |
ArgyllGran was correct - Elizabeth was born surname Charles:
From SA National Archives DESCRIPTION O'HANDLEY, ELIZABETH ANN. BORN CHARLES. STARTING 19330000 ENDING 19330000 REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE STEPHEN O'HANDLEY.
http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl
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Olive Jean
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6 Apr 2016 12:48 |
Hi Just to say Thankyou for all your info Yes we will have to send for the birth and marriage of Ann Cooper Hill born 1872/3 The info for Alfretta M O Handley is really interesting My Son in Law needs to find out more re the Fammily !! I wonder if you would look for Census s for Joseph William Darrington born 1870 Alferton Derbyshire Please As the Local library is closed until June for repair Thankyou Olive
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Olive Jean
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6 Apr 2016 12:47 |
Hi Just to say Thankyou for all your info Yes we will have to send for the birth and marriage of Ann Cooper Hill born 1872/3 The info for Alfretta M O Handley is really interesting My Son in Law needs to find out more re the Fammily !! I wonder if you would look for Census s for Joseph William Darrington born 1870 Alferton Derbyshire Please As the Local library is closed until June for repair Thankyou Olive
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Chris Ho :)
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6 Apr 2016 06:09 |
To find those details you would need to purchase the Certificates from below, £9.25 each.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Chris :)
(below looks to tie in, as said on my posting earlier)
1881 (Find My Past) Peter Hill Head Married Male 44 1837 Coal Miner Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England Sarah Hill Wife Married Female 47 1834 Coal Miner Wife Somercotes, Derbyshire, England Annie Hill Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Birchwood, Derbyshire, England Sam Hill Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Birchwood, Derbyshire, England Eliza Hill Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Birchwood, Derbyshire, England Sarah Andrews Mother In Law Widow Female 77 1804 Annuitant Gotham,Nottinghamshire, England Street Birchwood Lane Parish Alfreton County Derbyshire Registration district Belper Archive reference RG11 Piece number 3416 Folio 124 Page 38
1871 (Find My Past) Sarah Cooper Head - Female (Widow) 37 1834 - Derbyshire, England Elizabeth Cooper Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Derbyshire, England Sarah Cooper Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Derbyshire, England John Cooper Son - Male 8 1863 - Derbyshire, England John Cooper Father-In-Law - Male 78 1793 - Derbyshire, England Street Birchwood, Lower South Side Parish Alfreton County Derbyshire Registration district Belper Archive reference RG10 Piece number 3591 Folio 39 Page 23
1861 (Find My Past) John Cooper Head Married Male 33 1828 Labourer Somercotes, Derbyshire, England Sarah Cooper Wife Married Female 25 1836 - Somercotes, Derbyshire, England Elizabeth Cooper Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1858 - Somercotes, Derbyshire, England Sarah Cooper Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Somercotes, Derbyshire, England William Horseybrush Lodger Unmarried Male 47 1814 Brick Maker Selston, Nottinghamshire, England Hamlet Somercotes Ecclesiastical district Riddings Registration district Belper Enumeration district 5 Archive reference RG09 Piece number 2515 Folio number 25 Page number 3
(and from Newspaper article posted, here is Sister Elizabeth, George also occ. Miner)
Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------ Cooper Elizabeth Belper 7b 975 Ellis George Belper 7b 975
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Olive Jean
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5 Apr 2016 19:35 |
Hi again I just wondered if on the. Birth and Marriage of Ann Cooper Hill Born 1872. Derbyshire Marriage 1889 Derbyshire
It would tell you the Mother and Father
Thankyou Olive
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Olive Jean
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5 Apr 2016 12:47 |
HI Thankyou for all your info Olive
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ArgyllGran
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5 Apr 2016 11:49 |
It occurs to me that Sarah Charles had a daughter Elizabeth Ann, born 1881.
I wonder if Sarah was Alfretta's grandmother?
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5 Apr 2016 11:26 |
Yes, the parents of Alfretta in England in 1911 are Stephen & Elizabeth.
I don't see their marriage - it may have been in South Africa. Can't see Stephen travelling to or from SA at any time.
Don't know Elizabeth's maiden name to search for her before marriage. Can't see her travelling as O'handley.
My guess would be that Alfretta travelled with Sarah Charles, as we know Sarah was in SA in 1906 - but I can't see any travel record for Sarah either.
I can't see Ann Cooper Hill definitively before her marriage to Joseph Dorrington. (Wondered if she had a sister Elizabeth Ann.)
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Olive Jean
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5 Apr 2016 11:13 |
Hi I have printed off the Birth of Alfretta M O,Handley Olive
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Olive Jean
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5 Apr 2016 11:10 |
Hi So could the Mother and Father of Alfretta M O Handley born 1906 South Africa be Stephen and Elizabeth O,Handley If so who did she enter England with to be entered on 1911 Census
Thankyou for Ambrose Yeomans info Thankyou Olive
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5 Apr 2016 10:36 |
Good find, Choccy! So the O in Alfretta's name isn't the initial of a middle name, it's part of O'Handley.
It looks as if Gertrude and Henry Handley are a couple of red herrings.
You were asking about the other person on the 1911 census, Olive Jean.
He's Ambrose Yoemans (as transcribed on Ancestry, and it does look like that on the image), a mineral water carter. It's a mis-spelling of Yeomans. He's probably not any relation - just a boarder.
He's also boarding with the Dorringtons in 1901:
Ambrose Yeomans in the 1901 England Census Name: Ambrose Yeomans Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Birth Place: Hollaway, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Eastwood Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: Registration district: Basford Sub-registration district: Greasley ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3144 Folio: 144 Page Number: 51 Household schedule number: 307 Household Members: Name Age John W Dorrington 31 Ann Dorrington 28 Ada S Dorrington 4 Harry Dorrington 7 James Dorrington 24 Ambrose Yeomans 23 Ernest Truman 23
Here he is in 1881:
Ambrose Yeoman in the 1881 England Census Name: Ambrose Yeoman Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relationship to Head: Son in Law (probably means grandson) Gender: Male Where born: Holloway, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Holloway County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: Common Registration district: Belper ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3420 Folio: 88 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Mary Marsh 74 Jacob Yeoman 41 - son-in-law Hanh. Yeoman 41 - daughter Fred Yeoman 8 - son-in-law (grandson?) Albert Yeoman 5 - ditto Ambrose Yeoman 3 - ditto
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5 Apr 2016 07:56 |
Sarah Charles has popped up again - she was one of the sponsors at the above baptism along with John Murray and Julia Amelia Richard.
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5 Apr 2016 07:39 |
http://tinyurl.com/j865sp2
Alfretta Morgan South Africa, Church of the Province of South Africa, Parish Registers Name Alfretta Morgan Event Type Baptism Event Date 25 Nov 1906 Event Place St Mary the Less, Jeppestown, Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa Parent Name Stephen O'Handley Parent 2 Name Elizabeth Ann O'Handley Page 23 Entry Number 111
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5 Apr 2016 06:17 |
(did wonder about the Cooper bit, seeing below?)
Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------- Darrington Joseph William Belper 7b 823 Hill Ann Cooper Belper 7b 823
Births Jun 1872 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------- COOPER Ann Hill Belper 7b 509 Derbyshire Registrars Birth Index Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) ANN HILL Last name COOPER Birth year 1872 Place ALFRETON Reference AB/27/097 Register office Amber Valley (Ripley) Subdistrict Alfreton County Derbyshire
(there is another also 1872, Chapel En Le Frith, her Death 1872)
(there is below, Sarah Cooper (Widow) who has a Sarah Cooper with her 1871, and an Annie Hill 1881, both Census Alfreton)
Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%) -------------------------------------------- Cooper Sarah Belper 7b 1088 HILL Peter Belper 7b 1088
edits
22 September 1877 - Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald - Chesterfield
Marriage Charles - Cooper - Sept. 17th, at Birchwood Chapel, by the Registrar, Mr. John Charles, miner, to Sarah, daughter the late Mr. John Cooper, both of Birchwood
(her Mother Sarah Cooper is with John, 1861 Alfreton)
(and Sister Elizabeth below)
28 June 1873 - Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald - Chesterfield
Marriage Ellis—Cooper—June 24, at Birchwood Chapel, by the Registrar, Mr. George Ellis, miner, to Elizabeth, daughter of Mr. John Cooper, both of Birchwood.
(sorts out who Sarah is on 1911 then!)
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4 Apr 2016 22:19 |
Looks like Sarah Charles in 1891:
Sarah Charles in the 1891 England Census Name: Sarah Charles Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Somercotes, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Alfreton Ecclesiastical parish: Riddings Town: Birchwood County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration district: Belper ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2748 Folio: 113 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Charles 31 - married Richard Charles 11 Elizabeth Charles 10
and 1881:
Sarah Charles in the 1881 England Census Name: Sarah Charles Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: John Charles Gender: Female Where born: Somercotes, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Pinxton County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: Birchwood Lane Marital Status: Married Registration district: Mansfield ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3314 Folio: 103 Page Number: 47 Household Members: Name Age John Charles 27 - Palleg, Brecknock, Wales Sarah Charles 20 Richard Charles 1 Elizth.A. Charles
Probably her marriage:
Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%) Charles John Belper 7b 804 Cooper Sarah Belper 7b 804
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Olive Jean
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4 Apr 2016 22:12 |
Hi Sorry but I just can not make out the other persons name as the 1911 Census isn't clear ??Boarder 34 Single Matlock Olive
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Olive Jean
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4 Apr 2016 22:06 |
Thank you I just wondered if they were related As I am unable to open the In Coming Passengers on Ancestry Olive
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