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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 19:28

As an elimination ......


This Is NOT your Richard with wife Martha Ann

1911 Census

Name: Richard Crook
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Milnrow, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Milnrow
Search Photos: Search for 'Milnrow' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 129 Rochdale Road Firgrove
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner Hewer
Registration district: Rochdale
Registration District Number: 470
Sub-registration district: Milnrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 24597

Richard Crook 34
Martha Ann Crook 32
Mary Crook 4

From image:- Married 9 years


This couple are the following .........

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
Brierley Martha Ann Rochdale 8e 122
CROOK Richard Rochdale 8e 122

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 19:37

I can't find them in 1911, nor on a passenger list

cane

cane Report 1 Apr 2016 19:38

oh my :-) wow thank you SylviainCanada this is amazing info, ime going to get it copied and pasted right away Thanks x

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 19:39

??????????

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1908

CROOK William Failsworth Archives+, Manchester Central Library MASON FAI/54/20


the only one I can see between 1905 and 1930

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 19:47

Glad I could help ........


but I can't see them in 1911, nor on war service records for WW1

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 19:56

There are several Richard Crooks who received Medal and Service Awards in WW1, and some with the RFA, but I can't definitively identify any one of them as "yours".

Mary

Mary Report 1 Apr 2016 20:01

Info posted on previous thread by Greyghost 23rd March 2016
Richard and Martha crook went to New York 10/7/1914 to stay with James Mason brother to Martha.
Martha's dad James Mason at 44,Odey Street Hollinwood Lancashire.
1901/1911 44,Hawksley Street Hollinwood
James Mason 1855 Stone Stafforshire
Son James 1887
Martha Ann 1882.On 1891/1901 with dad.

Maryb.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 20:05

thanks Mary


but that means they should be on the 1911 Census

cane

cane Report 1 Apr 2016 20:06

Thanks mary, I was trying to find this info, To show Sylvia,but you beat me to it ..Thanks x

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 20:18

you had it ALL cane!

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1358871

Mary

Mary Report 1 Apr 2016 20:31

this is why you can't find them

Ship Mauretania
Martha Ann Crook 25 born say Holtinwood should be Hollinwood @ 1844 mum Mary Mason 44,Hawksley Street
Richard Crook 23 arrived in United states 19/2/1909 they are on 1910 census there,he was a coal miner she was a house wife.

So they must have come again and returned to USA 1914 on the Aqiutania

They arrived in England on the Lusitania 10/4/1914

Maryb.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 20:42

no William or other child on the passenger lsit, so he must have died, if he was theirs

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Martha Ann Crook
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 13 Feb 1909
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Mauretania
Search Ship Database: Search for the Mauretania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 124093
Master: J Pritchard



UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Martha A Crook
Gender: Female
Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1884
Departure Date: 11 Jul 1914
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Aquitania
Search Ship Database: Search for the Aquitania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 135583
Master: W T Turner

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 20:45

They weren't in the UK for the 1911!

They only came back in July 1914

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Martha Crook
Birth Date: abt 1884
Age: 30
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 10 Apr 1914
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Lusitania
Search Ship Database: Search for the Lusitania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Leyland Line
Official Number: 110611

from image:-
Richard, age 31, Labourer

Last country of permanent residence;- USA
Intended Country of Permanent Resudence:- Other Foreign Country (ie not UK or Commonwealth


so it looks as though they were just visiting

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 20:59

from the Ellis Island site ..........

Passenger Record

First Name : Richard
Last Name : Crook
Nationality : England, English
Last Place of Residence : Oldham, England
Date of Arrival : February 19th, 1909
Age at Arrival : 23y
Gender : Male
Marital Status : Married
Ship of Travel : Mauretania
Port of Departure : Liverpool
Manifest Line Number : 0004


The passenger manifest record says that their passage was paid by Mother-in-Law, 305 Unity Street, Greensburg, PA

They had £12

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 21:05

from the Ellis Island site

Passenger Manifest

First Name : Richard
Last Name : Crook
Nationality : Great Britain, British
Last Place of Residence : USA, PA
Date of Arrival : July 17th, 1914
Age at Arrival : 32y
Gender : Male
Marital Status : Married
Ship of Travel : Aquitania
Port of Departure : Liverpool
Manifest Line Number : 0026


from the Manifest .....

going to Keesport (??sp), PA, fare paid by self

Home address:- Smithfield Street, Keesport


The Ellis Island site is free, but you have to set up an account ........

http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Apr 2016 21:16

Richard might have returned again

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Richard Crook
Birth Date: abt 1884
Age: 31
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 22 Jan 1915
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Megantic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Megantic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 127981

from image:-

Reservist

He's in a long list of men, all called Reservists


This might or might not be him ...... there are other Richard Crooks, who might not use a middle name

cane

cane Report 2 Apr 2016 09:44

Thank you for all of your help ladies..Very much appreciated.Thank you :-)