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30 Mar 2016 10:13 |
I have a Elizabeth Ann Snowling who died13/10/1852 (aged 73 years ) at Ipswich Suffolk, buried 19/10/1852 at St Helens she was a Widow I would like to obtain her Will how do I go about purchasing it? I have looked on Ancestry Probate Calendar but nothing there. I have seen the Suffolk Benefit Index that's states her niece Ethelinda Harris as Beneficiary ( my husbands relative) I have found Elizabeth Ann on the 1851 Census (aged 72 ) living at Victoria Street, St Clement on her own means, also living there is a servant Sarah Davey aged 20 years. I think she married a William Snowling a Brewer & Brandy Merchant.I do not know when he died. I do not know Elizabeth Ann's maiden name. If anyone can help with any of the above it would be much appreciated as I have had no luck searching myself Thank You
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ArgyllGran
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30 Mar 2016 10:31 |
For helpers' reference:
Elizabeth Snowling in the 1851 England Census Age: 72 Estimated birth year: abt 1779 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Ipswich St Clement County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Ipswich Sub-registration district: St Clement ED, institution, or vessel: 4n Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 26 Piece: 1800 Folio: 287 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Snowling 72 Sarah Davey 20
In 1841 there's this Elizabeth, but a she's listed as a servant, it doesn't seem very likely that just ten years later she would be a "proprietor of stores" - unless perhaps she had both married and been widowed in that time, inheriting her husband's property.:
Elizabeth Snowling in the 1841 England Census Name: Elizabeth Snowling Age: 66 Estimated birth year: abt 1775 Gender: Female Where born: Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Fressingfield Hundred: Hoxne County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Hoxne Sub-registration district: Stradbroke Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1025 Book: 9 Folio: 12 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age James King 20 Mary Buskard 69 Elizabeth Snowling 66 Maria Meen 16
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ArgyllGran
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30 Mar 2016 10:34 |
This is the only Suffolk marriage showing online which would fit with her YOB, but of course it's not necessarily hers - I'm sure you've already found it:
Elizabeth Burrows mentioned in the record of William Snowling and Elizabeth Burrows Name William Snowling Spouse's Name Elizabeth Burrows Event Date 12 Aug 1805 Event Place Dennington, Suffolk, England
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ArgyllGran
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30 Mar 2016 10:36 |
Presumably the death of the William Snowling who married in 1805:
William Snowling England Deaths and Burials Name William Snowling Gender Male Burial Date 01 Jul 1833 Burial Place Dennington, Suffolk, England Age 49 Birth Date 1784 Marital Status Married
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ArgyllGran
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30 Mar 2016 10:36 |
And a child of that couple:
William England Deaths and Burials Name William Gender Male Burial Date 18 Feb 1808 Burial Place Dennington, Suffolk, England Age 2 Birth Date 1806 Father's Name William Snowling Mother's Name Elizabeth Burrows
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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30 Mar 2016 10:40 |
She was the executor and beneficiary of Williams will
Elizabeth Ann First name(s) ELIZABETH ANN Last name SNOWLING Residence Ipswich Relationship wife & executor Testator SNOWLING William Will year 1845 Probate year 1848 Court Ipswich County Suffolk Suffolk record office reference IC/AA2/125 Record set Suffolk Beneficiary Index 1847-1857 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain Transcriptions Copyright © Suffolk Family History Society
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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30 Mar 2016 10:42 |
Just because it came up so we can ref
1847-1857 Transcription Print transcription First name(s) ELIZABETH ANN Last name SNOWLING Title - Suffix - Birth year - Residence Ipswich Place IPSWICH Country England Occupation Widow Death year 1851 Death day 13 Death month Oct Will year 1852 Will day 14 Will month Sep Notes - Testator SNOWLING Elizabeth Ann Suffolk Record Office original wills IC/AA1/ Suffolk Record Office film reel number J421/103 Suffolk Record Office register copies IC/AA2/126 Record set Suffolk Testator Index 1847-1857 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Wills & probate Collections from Great Britain copyright Suffolk Family History Society
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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30 Mar 2016 10:43 |
ELIZABETH ANN Last name SNOWLING Birth year 1779 Death year 1852 Age 73 Burial year 1852 Burial day 19 Burial month 10 Place IPSWICH Church description ST HELEN Church denomination ANGLICAN County Suffolk Country England Record set National Burial Index for England & Wales Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain Suffolk Family History Society
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ArgyllGran
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30 Mar 2016 10:43 |
So William was not the one who married Elizabeth Burrows.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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30 Mar 2016 10:45 |
This may help
documents
Where are the originals held?
The original wills are held at the Ipswich Branch of Suffolk Record Office. To obtain copies of an original will you need to contact the Ipswich Branch of Suffolk Record Office by letter, fax or e-mail, giving full details (including source ie BRS and which court etc) and references. The Ipswich Branch of Suffolk Record Office will then send you a quote of the full costs.
What information from the document do I need to locate the original?
Testator's name Year of will or admon Place Register Folio
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greyghost
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30 Mar 2016 10:46 |
?? National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription
First name(s) WILLIAM Last name SNOWLING Birth year 1771 Death year 1848 Age 77 Burial year 1848 Burial day 21 Burial month 4 Place IPSWICH Church description ST HELEN Church denomination ANGLICAN County Suffolk Country England
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ArgyllGran
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30 Mar 2016 10:47 |
This is William's death:
Deaths Jun 1848 (>99%) Snowling William Ipswich 12 257
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greyghost
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30 Mar 2016 11:01 |
Could this be Willian and Elizabeth in 1841. He is described of Independent Means. Neither were born in County. As ages were supposedly rounded down to the nearest 5 in 1841 then William could be 69, making him born c1771/2
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Goose Green, St Giles Camberwell, Surrey, England
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Elizabeth Bailey Female 80 1761 - Elizabeth Stevens Female 35 1806 - Mary Mathews Female 30 1811 - William Snowling Male 65 1776 - Elizabeth Ann Snowling Female 60 1781 -
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alviegal
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30 Mar 2016 11:18 |
I think this may be the 1841 for them.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Goose Green, St Giles Camberwell, Surrey, England
Household Members
Elizabeth Bailey Female 80 1761 - ?Transcription Elizabeth Stevens Female 35 1806 - ?Transcription Mary Mathews Female 30 1811 - ?Transcription William Snowling Male 65 1776 - ?Independant Elizabeth Ann Snowling Female 60 1781 -
SNAP greyghost, I was so busy looking them up I didn't see you've gone down the same line as me :-)
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Ellen
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30 Mar 2016 13:03 |
Thank you all for your input I found the 1841 Census (which looks right to me ) after much searching under the name of Showley I have reported the mistake. I wasn't to sure that was William's death in 1848. I will email Suffolk Record Office Ipswich for information on obtaining William's Will. I came across the marriage to Elizabeth Burrows but as it did not say Elizabeth Ann I thought it wasn't my William. I have been trying to find the connection between Ethelinda Harris (nee Stearn) & Elizabeth Ann Snowling as it said on her Will Ethelinda was her neice,I think if I can find Elizabeth's maiden name it might connect?? Thanks again everyone I have always had great help from this site Regards Ellen
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Chris Ho :)
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30 Mar 2016 13:27 |
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/dcab160f-7700-41cf-8837-315b20216fe1
(Dennington Parish Records. Removal Order: William Snowling, Elizabeth his wife and William their son to Metfield 1 Feb. 1796)
(perhaps relating somewhere?. held also at Suffolk R O, Ipswich)
Chris :)
DIED. SUFFOLK 29 April 1848 - Norfolk Chronicle - Norwich, Norfolk, England
Aged 77. William Snowling, gent., St. Clement's, Ipswich
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greyghost
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30 Mar 2016 13:41 |
?? 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Boro Road, St Clement, Ipswich, Suffolk, England
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Ethelinda Harris Female 23 1818 Suffolk, England Mary Fryatt Female 20 1821
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greyghost
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30 Mar 2016 13:51 |
An Ancestry tree has Ethelinda marrying Charles Willingale 1851 London - haven't found this. Children Elizabeth Ethelinda Willingale 1852 Charles Willingale Harris 1858, Alfred Walter Willingale 1859
Mother Unknown. Father Harris 1798 - ?
Subsequent census show her born Elmswell, Suffolk
Family search shows a baptism 1858 Stepney of a Charles Willingale Harris - only mother's name Ethelinda Harris
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ArgyllGran
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30 Mar 2016 13:54 |
Ancestry suggests this is Ethelinda in 1851:
Etheelinda Willingale in the 1851 England Census Name: Etheelinda Willingale Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1818 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Charles Willingale Gender: Female Where born: Elmswell, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Stepney Ecclesiastical parish: Mile End Old Town County/Island: Middlesex Country: England View image Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Lower ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 46 Piece: 1553 Folio: 382 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Charles Willingale 38 Etheelinda Willingale 33 Charles Willingale 16 Samuel Willingale 15 Eliza Alexander 29 Edward Alexander 7 Eliza Alexander 2
If so, Ethelinda would have to be a second wife.
I can't see any such marriage, on FreeBmd at least.
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greyghost
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30 Mar 2016 14:00 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Wentworth Road, Mile End Old Town, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Charles Willingale Head - Male 56 1815 - Essex, England Ethelinda Willingale Wife - Female 52 1819 - Suffolk, England Charles Willingale Son - Male 13 1858 - Middlesex, England Alfred Willingale Son - Male 12 1859 - Middlesex, England
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