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or vice versa ;)

more commonly the husband abandoning though ... a wife might leave an abusive husband if she had a better option, but leaving kids with her mother and going elsewhere to work in a bar might not have been a better option

but then sometimes wives just ran off, too

maybe Sheila will share what she knows ...

Good find, Joonie

do you think Walter abandoned Lilly and the children?

there's no sign of the children being supported by father as a result of him being in WW1 ........... not that that is any proof as only about 30% of the records survive!


It's as if Walter and Lil(l)y have disappeared off the earth!

it all hinges on when Walter was last known to be living in England

between 1902 and 1911, dozens of W(alter) Baileys travelled out of England ...

if Walter was not known to be living and in England after his marriage, it is possible even that one or both of the children were not his

Lilly in 1911


Name: Lilly Baily
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Servant
Birth Place: South Bank, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Stockton on Tees
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 22 East Street Stockton On Tees
>> Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Barmaid Working
Registration district: Stockton

married 9 years, 2 children born, both living

Sheila, as you can see now, it does no good for you to know things that no one else knows!

the most basic question here is: when do you last know of your grandfather being alive?

were the children with their grandmother because their father was deceased, do you think (or know)?

and confirmation ..........


here is Lilly with mother Lavinia in 1881

1881 Census

Name: Lilly Leighton
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Leighton
Mother: Lavinia Leighton
Gender: Female
Where born: Southbank, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Normanby in Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 35 North St

Registration district: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Piece: 4859
Folio: 83
Page Number: 12

John Leighton 40
Lavinia Leighton 34
William C. Leighton 16
Han.E. Leighton 8
Lavinia Leighton 5
John Leighton 3
Lilly Leighton 1 month

The image shows that Lilly is 1 month old, although that has not been transcribed.

The census was taken on the night 0f 3 April 1881

well done, Mavis!

1911


Address
9 George St South Bank Yorks

Civil Parish
Eston

Sub District
Ormesby

Registration District
Middlesbrough

Image Reference
RG14 - PN29217 RD535 SD1 ED14 SN214


Lavinia Leighton 65 1846 Female Head Widowed 0 Scarborough, Yorkshire Boarding House Keeper
Walter Bailey 9 1902 Male Grandson 0 Newcastle-On-Tyne School
Norman Bailey 7 1904 Male Grandson 0 South Bank, Yorkshire School


Mavis

The only Norman Henry Bailey born 1904 (+/- 2 years) in Northumberland that I can find has father WILLIAM and mother Mary Ann

births Dec 1902 (>99%)
Bailey Walter Raymond Middlesbro' 9d 619

births Sep 1904 (>99%)
BAILEY Norman Henry Newcastle T.

Thankyou for all info which i already have. I know they were married in 1902 ,and had a son named Walter born in 1902 in Middlesbrough and then had another son named Norman Henry (my Father) born in 1904 in Newcastle.

Do you know where they lived after marriage, Sheila?
We can't find them in 1911 census.
There is one couple with the right names, but both born in Shropshire, and married in 1910.


As a long shot for the birth of a child (what was the name of their child/children?), there's this one - not Birkenhead area, but time-wise would be feasible:

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
BAILEY Walter Ernest Aston 6d 337

There are lots of Baileys born in Birkenhead and Cheshire generally, from 1902 onwards, but we don't know the mothers' maiden names to pinpoint the right one(s).

I suspect the child born in 1920 in South Shields is the child of these parents:

Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)
Bailey Frank Leighton S.Shields 10a 2201

This may be Walter' wife. A birth in 1881 for Lily Leighton would match the birth date given on the 1939 register, below


Bailey Household (2 People)
56 Halt Street , Middlesbrough C.B., Yorkshire (North Riding), England

Lily Bailey 12 Mar 1881 Female Housemaid Married 220 1
Anthony Coles 06 Jan 1925 Male Errand Boy Single 220 2


It might be worth buying the death certificate for Lily (below)


Deaths Dec 1951
BAILEY Lilly 70 Middlesbro' 1b 646

A family tree on ancestry says they had a son in 1922

I can find one born in S Shields in 1920, but the one born in 1922 has a different mother's surname :-S

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Major Street, Stockton on Tees, Stockton, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Bailey Head Married Male 39 1852 Ship Plater Bunbury, Cheshire, England
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Grace Bailey Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Walter E Bailey Son Single Male 16 1875 Steam Engine Maker Apprentice Birkenhead, Cheshire, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Edith G Bailey Daughter - Female 15 1876 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Joseph E Bailey Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Gertrude E Bailey Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Stockton, Durham, England
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John W Bailey Son - Male 2 1889 - Stockton, Durham, England
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Albert Bailey Son - Male 1 1890 - Stockton, Durham, England

for his occupation

PM sent to Sheila, as she's a new poster, to tell her there are replies, and how to answer on the thread.

When was /were their child /children born?
At least we would know he was alive then.

Have you ruled out this one, Sheila, if he remained in the Birkenhead area?

Walter Bailey
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Walter Bailey
Birth Date: abt 1874
Date of Registration: Mar 1968
Age at Death: 94
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 42


I can't see him in 1901 or 1911 census.

When was Lily born?
Is this her?

Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
LEIGHTON Lily Middlesbro' 9d 609