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Answer to your question of 1507 today
These are all siblings of Alfred Charles, so aunts/uncles to his children and yes their kids and his would be cousins.

What's with all the different surnames during those periods ?? Any ideas ?

This is fascinating. Who needs soap operas.
You really are fantastic at this. I've going it a month and you've found so much more xx

EDIT: The Alfred on these electoral registers is likely to be the father of Alfred Derek Smith.

Alfred still at home in 1945- 47

West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1945
32 Cartwright Street
Alfred D Smith
Hilda Smith
Joyce M Smith
Harry Walton
Alexander G Brown

1946
Alfred D Smith
Hilda Smith
Alexander G Brown
Doreen Lawton
Albert Lawton
Joyce Clegg
George Clegg

1947
Alfred D Smith
Hilda Smith
Alexander G Brown
Doreen Lawton
Albert Lawton
Joyce Clegg
George Clegg
Andrew D Paton
Hilda Paton

Reginald Douglas 1916 - not seeing on 1939, nor obvious marriage/death
Harry Charles 1919 - ditto

Joyce Mary Smith- b 30.6.1920 bap 5.9.1920
? marr George Clegg 1945 ? 1 birth Doncaster
? died 2000 as Clegg - Doncaster with correct DOB

Have found nothing definite with a quick look for the others. Will PM the baptism records.

You are finding the most amazing information.

So their descendants would be dads cousins ??

Fantastic :-D

Alexander Dennis Smith b 23.11.1914 bap 30.7.1922
Same address, occupation for parents

Not seeing an obvious marriage but -

Smith Household (3 People)
20 Littlemoor Street , Doncaster C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Alexander D Smith 23 Nov 1914 Male Baker Pastry Cook (Cake Maker) Married 133 1
Elizabeth Smith 15 Jan 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 133 2
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? died 1991 Lincoln with correct DOB

4 children before Joyce, not 2

Kathleen May Smith b 2.4.1913 baptised 29.6.1913 Doncaster St George of 8 Chancery Place d/o Alfred Dennis a General Dealer and Hilda

Married John Doyle 1932. Married Claude Bennett 1957.

Died 1993 as Bennett - Doncaster with correct DOB

Doyle Household (4 People)
2 Sheardown Street , Doncaster C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Kathleen M Bennett (Doyle) 02 Apr 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duti Married 311 2
John Doyle 14 Nov 1902 Male Pit Sinker Married 311 1
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just odd that the one i mentioned is not there and your grandmothers is not there

I was told that once recorded in the register it couldn't be moved. Regardless of whether it was a bigamist wedding.

Any marriage that took place should be on the BMD index even if it was bigamous.

Kath. x

my land lady married a bigamist and the marriage is not on bdm it must mean that the marriage does not excite perhaps thats why yoy cannot find your grandmothers marriage to alfred smith

In the 1911 census Harold's father had re-married:-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Alne Alne York, Alne, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

Thomas Sparling Head Married Male Bricklayer General 52 1859 York Shipton Parish
Mary Ann Sparling Wife Married Female - 45 1866 York Easingwold Parish
Harold Smith Sparling Son Single Male Bricklayer General 23 1888 York Shipton Parish

Married 5 years.
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This is his father's second marriage:-

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name SPARLING
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1906
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ THOMAS SPARLING married one of these people
>>>>>>>>>>MARY ANN SAYER,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ELIZA DRIFFIELD
District EASINGWOLD
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 797

Kath. x

It looks like Rosemary's father Harold Smith Sparling got his middle name from his mother's maiden name. This looks like him in the 1901 census:-

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Alne Village, Alne, Easingwold, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Thomas Sparling Head Widower Male 42 1859 Mason & Builder Yorkshire, England
Rose Hannah Sparling Wife Married Female 38 1863 - Kirby Misperton, Yorkshire, England
Harold Smith Sparling Son Single Male 13 1888 - Shipton, Yorkshire, England

This looks like his parent's marriage:-

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name SPARLING
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1886
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ THOMAS SPARLING married one of these people
>>>>>>>>>>ROSE HANNAH SMITH,<<<<<<<<<<<<<;MARY AGNES DALEY
District EASINGWOLD
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 797

Kath. x

You are all amazing. Thank you so much for all your help. Keep it coming :-D :-D

We found a report of the bigamous marriage for the parents of the person I was helping in The Yorkshire Post (well someone else found it actually).

If Rosemary married her "second" husband using the Smith surname and you can't find a marriage for her and Alfred Derek Smith, have you considered that she may have changed her surname to Smith by Deed Poll?

I was helped by a couple of people on this site to find an entry in the London Gazzette where my mother-in-law changed her suname to that of my father-in-law in 1943 as father-in-law had been married in 1926 but divorce was not possible for them at that period (too expensive and difficult to get). I had found a mention of it on mother-in-law's entry in the 1939 register.

Could be worth looking into, because even if a marriage was bigamous there should still be an entry for it.

Kath. x

To confuse matters even more, this looks like the birth of her father 'Harold S' - Note his middle name !! :

Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
SPARLING Harold Smith Gt. Ouseburn 9a 94

Have a Doctor's appt soon but will work on it later.....

I now have 2 very complicated threads to work on here but I just love a challenge and it is not often nowadays that there is anything on these boards to really 'get your teeth into' :-D :-D

Dea x

I never found those details during my search. So that's fab.

Her wedding to frank - she was smith, and she'd put her father as "Harold smith". It's all so confusing

Derek Alfred Smith
Year: 1949
Country: England
County: West Yorkshire
Parliamentary Division: Barkston Ash
Place of Abode: 199 Abbots Road
Reference Number: Barkston Ash

Also there Rosemary Frances Smith


Might be worth searching recent ERs using Derek as his first name.

Just curious about that second marriage cert - she married as 'Smith' - her 'married name', yet she stated that she was a spinster. - What surname did she give for her father - Smith or Sparling?

Just trying to work out if she did actually marry Mr. Smith, in the absence of a marriage. If there was one and we could find it, it could be very useful to us!!

Perhaps the bigamy had been committed with 2 other ladies and he did not actually 'marry' Rosemary ??

Dea x