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To confuse matters even more, this looks like the birth of her father 'Harold S' - Note his middle name !! :

Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
SPARLING Harold Smith Gt. Ouseburn 9a 94

Have a Doctor's appt soon but will work on it later.....

I now have 2 very complicated threads to work on here but I just love a challenge and it is not often nowadays that there is anything on these boards to really 'get your teeth into' :-D :-D

Dea x

We found a report of the bigamous marriage for the parents of the person I was helping in The Yorkshire Post (well someone else found it actually).

If Rosemary married her "second" husband using the Smith surname and you can't find a marriage for her and Alfred Derek Smith, have you considered that she may have changed her surname to Smith by Deed Poll?

I was helped by a couple of people on this site to find an entry in the London Gazzette where my mother-in-law changed her suname to that of my father-in-law in 1943 as father-in-law had been married in 1926 but divorce was not possible for them at that period (too expensive and difficult to get). I had found a mention of it on mother-in-law's entry in the 1939 register.

Could be worth looking into, because even if a marriage was bigamous there should still be an entry for it.

Kath. x

You are all amazing. Thank you so much for all your help. Keep it coming :-D :-D

It looks like Rosemary's father Harold Smith Sparling got his middle name from his mother's maiden name. This looks like him in the 1901 census:-

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Alne Village, Alne, Easingwold, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Thomas Sparling Head Widower Male 42 1859 Mason & Builder Yorkshire, England
Rose Hannah Sparling Wife Married Female 38 1863 - Kirby Misperton, Yorkshire, England
Harold Smith Sparling Son Single Male 13 1888 - Shipton, Yorkshire, England

This looks like his parent's marriage:-

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name SPARLING
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1886
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ THOMAS SPARLING married one of these people
>>>>>>>>>>ROSE HANNAH SMITH,<<<<<<<<<<<<<;MARY AGNES DALEY
District EASINGWOLD
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
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Kath. x

In the 1911 census Harold's father had re-married:-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Alne Alne York, Alne, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

Thomas Sparling Head Married Male Bricklayer General 52 1859 York Shipton Parish
Mary Ann Sparling Wife Married Female - 45 1866 York Easingwold Parish
Harold Smith Sparling Son Single Male Bricklayer General 23 1888 York Shipton Parish

Married 5 years.
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This is his father's second marriage:-

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name SPARLING
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1906
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ THOMAS SPARLING married one of these people
>>>>>>>>>>MARY ANN SAYER,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ELIZA DRIFFIELD
District EASINGWOLD
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
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Kath. x

my land lady married a bigamist and the marriage is not on bdm it must mean that the marriage does not excite perhaps thats why yoy cannot find your grandmothers marriage to alfred smith

Any marriage that took place should be on the BMD index even if it was bigamous.

Kath. x

I was told that once recorded in the register it couldn't be moved. Regardless of whether it was a bigamist wedding.

just odd that the one i mentioned is not there and your grandmothers is not there

4 children before Joyce, not 2

Kathleen May Smith b 2.4.1913 baptised 29.6.1913 Doncaster St George of 8 Chancery Place d/o Alfred Dennis a General Dealer and Hilda

Married John Doyle 1932. Married Claude Bennett 1957.

Died 1993 as Bennett - Doncaster with correct DOB

Doyle Household (4 People)
2 Sheardown Street , Doncaster C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Kathleen M Bennett (Doyle) 02 Apr 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duti Married 311 2
John Doyle 14 Nov 1902 Male Pit Sinker Married 311 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Alexander Dennis Smith b 23.11.1914 bap 30.7.1922
Same address, occupation for parents

Not seeing an obvious marriage but -

Smith Household (3 People)
20 Littlemoor Street , Doncaster C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Alexander D Smith 23 Nov 1914 Male Baker Pastry Cook (Cake Maker) Married 133 1
Elizabeth Smith 15 Jan 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 133 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

? died 1991 Lincoln with correct DOB

You are finding the most amazing information.

So their descendants would be dads cousins ??

Fantastic :-D

Reginald Douglas 1916 - not seeing on 1939, nor obvious marriage/death
Harry Charles 1919 - ditto

Joyce Mary Smith- b 30.6.1920 bap 5.9.1920
? marr George Clegg 1945 ? 1 birth Doncaster
? died 2000 as Clegg - Doncaster with correct DOB

Have found nothing definite with a quick look for the others. Will PM the baptism records.

EDIT: The Alfred on these electoral registers is likely to be the father of Alfred Derek Smith.

Alfred still at home in 1945- 47

West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1945
32 Cartwright Street
Alfred D Smith
Hilda Smith
Joyce M Smith
Harry Walton
Alexander G Brown

1946
Alfred D Smith
Hilda Smith
Alexander G Brown
Doreen Lawton
Albert Lawton
Joyce Clegg
George Clegg

1947
Alfred D Smith
Hilda Smith
Alexander G Brown
Doreen Lawton
Albert Lawton
Joyce Clegg
George Clegg
Andrew D Paton
Hilda Paton

This is fascinating. Who needs soap operas.
You really are fantastic at this. I've going it a month and you've found so much more xx

What's with all the different surnames during those periods ?? Any ideas ?

Answer to your question of 1507 today
These are all siblings of Alfred Charles, so aunts/uncles to his children and yes their kids and his would be cousins.

Those are the other people listed at the same address as Alfred in 1945/ 1946/ 1947

So from Austin Q's Electoral Rolls it looks like
Doreen married Albert Lawton 1941(one of the possibles in GRO index) and
Hilda married Andrew D Paton 1946 (also a possibility from GRO indexes).
And Joyce did marry George Clegg.

Austin - wouldn't the Alfred D showing on your ER's be the Father Alfred Dennis and it's son Alfred Derek b 1924 who disappeared?
?
First name(s) ALFRED
Last name SMITH
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1889
Age 71
Death quarter 2
Death year 1960
District DONCASTER
County Yorkshire
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