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yep Margaret tell me about it :-)

that's what I said in my first post the 1911c says married 8 years but the cert I have says didn't marry till 1914 !! that's why im asking you all for help ..

Christine x

Later on in the records gives the date of his marriage in Nov. 1914 (no details of wife) and says that he has 2 illigitimate children - a boy of 12 months and a girl of 3 years. (no names given)

That was dated Nov / December 1914.

Dea x

there are 3 john fisher's born 1878 sunderland and none with a middle name

Dea, it says married November twelth - one day out to the marriage cert.

But that's not what you said on your first post, Christine, you said he was married to Catherine on the 1911 census. That's why none of us could find it.

maybe its the other way round the boy is 3 and the girl is 11 months

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
Fisher John Thompson Sunderland 10a 1386


Births Mar 1914
FISHER Catherine Thompson Sunderland 10a 1498

Although there is possibly a year old boy:

Fisher Wilfred H Thompson Sunderland 10a 1604

sorry Margaret your right ... I apologise no the wonder

my head battered ( will edit post ) ..

its his mam Catherine she was in the 1881 and 1891 c

Christine x

My guess would be they lived together but in order to cover the births they stated married on the 1911 census

in order for him to have his wife get an army allotment they did marry in 1914 but having had children before then he stated them as illgitimate

i have the same in my family two chidren born post 1911 ,births are reg as if they were married but they married in late 1914 when the hubby joined up for ww1

I agree, Shirley, makes sense.

Dea + Shirley that could be correct as his son my grandfather john was born 13.11.1911 so he would have been the illigitamet boy and have Catherine as born jan 1914 the girl
so maybe then they got married in 1914 before he went off to war ??? and on the 1911 c when it said how long have they been married could they have just put how long they had been together ?

still cant find him in 1901 tho !!!

Christine x

Dea are the records you refer to the war ones on here ? if so im hoping that I get them ( or money towards ) for my birthday then I can view

Christine x

found the war record on find my past
why not take a free trial and then cancel your card if you do not want to stay :-)

thanks Maddie never heard of that site may give it a look ..

Christine x

The war records are also on Ancestry.

thanks Margaret but don't think purse strings will stretch to another subscription ..

oh and after looking all night still haven't found 1901 :--(

Christine x

I couldn't find any of John's family in 1901!

Could someone look at this? Address given as 50 Vine Street, Sunderland (same address as 1891 census posted above)

(on FMP)

British Army Service Records 1760-1915

First name(s) JOHN

Last name FISHER

Birth year 1878

Birth parish BISHOPWEARMOUTH

Birth town SUNDERLAND

Birth county DURHAM

Birth country ENGLAND

Service number 3059

Rank -

Regiment -

Document Type Attestation

Attestation year 1898

Attestation Day 21

Attestation Month 3

Attestation age years 20

Attestation age months 3

Attestation Corps DURHAM ARTILLERY (W D R A)

Attestation service number 3059

Series WO96 militia service records 1806-1915

Box 1339

Box Record Number 60

Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915

(signature of John Fisher could be the same) - if this is him he was I think in South Africa in 1901 - discharged in 1902

Choccy
he worked for Mr Cockburn at Ashton's shipyard and he was a riviter
he had tattoo's
discharged as totally medically unfit

Address is the same as census record in 1891 - 50 Vine Street. Signature is very similar on both sets of military records.