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Oh God! How utterly tragic. Thank-you everyone. What a mess. Feel so sad for this family. I wonder whether Jessie was his twin? Maybe Nellie disappeared for good reason....

???? already posted

from FindMyPast .....


British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription

First name(s) Ernest
Last name Ranyell
Service number 18514
Regiment Royal Army Medical Corps
Unit / Battalion 19th Stafford Hospital
Event year 1916
Age 31
Birth year 1885
Birth town Tottenham
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Residence town -
Residence county Essex
Series WO 363
Record set British Army Service Records 1914-1920
Category Armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from United Kingdom


File is Proceedings on Discharge

from image:-

Intended Place of residence:- 52 Coppermill Lane, Walthamstow, N.E.
Discharged in consequence of:- Termination of his 1st period of Engagement. Auth:- para 392(xxi) K.R.
Military character:- Good
Character comments:- A steady and generally well conducted man. Honest, sober, industrious and trustworthy. Taine in first aid ambulance, and nursing. A good nurse

Discharge confirmed for 19 April 1916

Enlisted 21-03-03, Aldershot

In England from 23-03-03 to 12-11-15
Overseas from 13-11-15 to 14-04-16
In England from 15-04-16 to 19-04-16

Educated:- Duke of York's Royal Military School; Royal Hibernian Military School; and Industrial School under Home Office or Local Government Board
Passed classes of instruction at Training School R.A.M. Corps, Aldershot, 31-08-03

NOK:- Mother Elizabeth Ranyell, 62 Belmont Rd, Leyton, Essex.; then moved to 54 Leabridge Rd, Clapton, N.E.
and sisters Laura and Lilly

Occupation on Joining:- Labourer
Age:- 18

Transferred to B Section Army Reserve 22-02-1906

Pension Appeal review held 1920

Medical Board review report ...........

He was actually Invalided out due to Dementia Praecox with documentary evidence. It was not considered to have been caused or worsened by WW1 service

In 1920 he was viewed as very interfering and resistive, noisy and abusive.

He apparently began to show the first signs of Dementia Praecox in Nov 1918, although on examination by the Medical Board he answered questions and seemed rational. Otherwise physically fit.

Extract from Asylum admittance 10-02-1920:- "He is suspicious and evasive in his manner. He insults and talks to himself a good deal, and he frequently smiles foolishly for no reason at all. He has hallucinations hearing imaginary voices and often becomes restless under their influence. Quite unemployable."

The Medical Board attributed his condition to "constitutional"

Degree of disability:- 100%

Medical Board meeting held 26-6-1920

Pension Appeal Board disallowed the appeal 29-9-1920 ..... the application had been submitted on the basis of his insanity, but it was not caused or aggravated by his war service.



** Dementia praecox (a "premature dementia" or "precocious madness") is a chronic, deteriorating psychotic disorder characterized by rapid cognitive disintegration, usually beginning in the late teens or early adulthood. The primary disturbance in dementia praecox is a disruption in cognitive or mental functioning in attention, memory, and goal-directed behaviour. It was viewed as a progressively deteriorating disease from which no one recovered

He died in Brentwood. I wonder if that meant he was still in the Brentwood Asylum?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Ernest Ranyell
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Mar 1963
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Brentwood
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 612

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Ernest Ranyell
Year: 1918
County or Borough: Camden
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Pancras
Street address: Rowton House

Street name:- Arlington Street.

pages of men living at Rowton House.


from Google:-

Arlington House, opened in 1905, was the last in a chain of hostels built in London by the great Victorian philanthropist Lord Rowton. Rowton wanted to provide clean and decent accommodation for working men, who in that era were often forced to stay in filthy and disease-ridden common lodging houses.

The 'Rowton Houses' were a great success, and enjoyed a reputation for providing the cleanest and best value accommodation in London.

George Orwell stayed in Rowton Hostels during his [from our contemporary viewpoint, incredibly patronising...] travels through the world of the working class, and the 'down & out' wrote:-

" The best [lodging houses] are the Rowton Houses, where the charge is a shilling, for which you get a cubicle to yourself, and the use of excellent bathrooms. You can also pay half a crown for a special, which is practically hotel accommodation. The Rowton Houses are splendid buildings, and the only objection to them is the strict discipline, with rules against cooking, card playing, etc."

In the 1970s, there were 1140 rooms, 140 staff, 1000 men.



so it was a cheap but clean place to live

Has this been posted???

UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920

Name: Ernest Ranyell
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Royal Army Medical Corps
Regimental Number: 18514
Previous Units: 18514 RAMC Pte
Other Records: Search for 'Ernest Ranyell' in other WWI collections
War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany): Search for 'Royal Army Medical Corps' in the WWI War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany) collection
War Diaries (Gallipoli): Search for 'Royal Army Medical Corps' in the WWI War Diaries (Gallipoli) collection


UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920
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Report issue

Name: E Ranyell
Military Year: 1914-1915
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: 1914-15 Star
Regiment or Corps: Royal Army Medical Corps
Regimental Number: 18514
Other Records: Search for 'E Ranyell' in other WWI collections
War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany): Search for 'Royal Army Medical Corps' in the WWI War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany) collection
War Diaries (Gallipoli): Search for 'Royal Army Medical Corps' in the WWI War Diaries (Gallipoli) collection

This record says he was discharged 19-04-16

Does anyone else understand the remarks on these 2 records??? It seems to say the medals were returned???



It's beginning to look as thought he was one of the poor blighters who suffered from "shell shock", or what we would now call PTS

If you Google Hanwell ..... it seems that there have been some name changes

The Middlesex County Asylum in Hanwell was the first pauper lunatic asylum built in England following the Madhouse Act of 1828. In 1889 the Asylum was renamed the London County Asylum, Hanwell. In 1918 the Asylum became known as the London County Mental Hospital, and then in 1929 it was renamed Hanwell Mental Hospital.

In 1937 its name changed again, to St Bernard's Hospital, Southall.

I cannot access the record for Ernest on the 1939 Register

The preview shows ...........

Ernest Ranyell 1887 Brentwood U.D. Essex

but the record is closed

"The records for all the people in this household are officially closed, as everyone is either still alive, or not confirmed to have died".


EDIT:- it helps to make sure you are signed in :-)


His birthday is shown as 21 March 1887

Address Brentwood Mental Hospital.

No further information

???

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930

Name: Ernest Ranyell
Birth Date: 1886
Admission Age: 30
Admission Date: 1916-1919
Discharge Date: 1916-1919
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Borough: Camden
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Place: London, England
Title: St Pancras Workhouse Register, 1916-1919

from image:-

Single
Occupation:- Painter & Decorator, Invalid Soldier
Admitted by somebody Scott
Next of Kin:- Mo. Mrs Ranyell, 101 Malta Rd, Layton, Essex
From whence admitted:- Rontin (??Ponin) St, C.S
Admitted:- 8 Nov 1918
Discharged:- 15 Nove 1918
Where sent:- Hanwell Asylum

??? also under NOK ----- Bro Thos Edwin, 10 Stanxxxx St, Gospel Band (??) <<<<< can someone check this. It's written very small, andhahrd to tell whether it applies to Edward or the person on the line below him.


London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930

Name: Ernest Ranyell
Birth Date: 1886
Admission Age: 32
Admission Date: 8 Nov 1918
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Camden
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Place: London, England
Title: St Pancras Workhouse Register, 1918-1919

from image:-

Occupation:- Painter
Admitted from Rowton House by order of somebody Scott


London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930

Name: Ernest Ranyell
Birth Date: 1886
Discharge Date: 15 Nov 1918
Record Type: Discharge
Borough: Camden
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Title: St Pancras Workhouse Register, 1918-1919

from image:-

Had breakfast before discharge.
Discharged to Hanwell

????

Household (1 Person) Brenwood Mental Hospital , Brentwood U.D., Essex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) Role DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Ernest Ranyell P 21 Mar 1887 Male Nil Single 1 203

Thanks so much. I am trying to trace information about Ernest Ranyell as someone posted that he may have been discharged from the army in 1939 for a nervous condition. He seems to have had a brief spell in the St. Pancras Workhouse in 1918... How do I find out where he was being treated, etc..?

Also, would the 1939 census have any reference to Nellie Ranyell?

Regards, Juliet

you need to have a subscription at findmypast

If you want to say what you're looking for, those of us who have a sub can help out

you can do a fair bit with free searches though

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register

and if you want to see details, we can look

one trick on a free search is not to put a name in the person searched for boxes; put the name in the 'living with' boxes instead (using the 'advanced search' form), and then you will get a list of all the names living in the household

Would anyone be able to help me, please? I don't understand how I can access the 1939 records/Census. Is there some sort of magic I'm not party to?!

George Alexander Ranyell that married Eliza Eugenie Smith,,he was a Supernumerary with the Weslyan church and spent some time in Bombay as a missionary and others regions in England,,,,,,,if its the same George that shows on Nellie and others baptism details.

Nellie/Irene hasnt married in Ireland or Scotland as Ranyell and familysearch india records throws nothing up for her under that name.

This person is a brother to George A Ranyell,their father was also George. a minister,!from census.
ALEXANDER ROBERT
Last name RANYELL
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1872
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ALEXANDER ROBERT RANYELL married one of these people
***LAVINIA LEWIS***, CHARLOTTE MERRITT
District HACKNEY
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Page 656
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd


Roberts daughter Frances Emily went to New York 1911,,,,,did Nellie/Irence follow as a cousin.?did Frances return.

Robert and Lavina show incoming in 1922 from NY to Southampton,

Also,

The Hepworths ---Joseph Hepworth died later in 1911 at his home in Leeds,did Nellie move with them if she was his sick nurse as he was in poor health according the write up..he spent summers in Leeds and winter at his home in the south of UK.

1911 (Find My Past) (Reference)
John Thomas Waller Head - Male Army Pensioner 67 1844 Chelsea London
Marie Anne Waller Wife Married Female - 51 1860 Bermondsey London
Frederik Hobbs Grandson - Male - 11 1900 Marylebone London
Harold Ransell Nurse Child - Male - 7 1904 Marylebone London
Irene Ransell Nurse Child - Female - 5 1906 Clapham
Kathleen Brown Nurse Child - Female - 0 1911 Twickenham
Address 11 Sherland Road Twickenham
Parish Twickenham
County Middlesex
Census reference RG14 PN 6848 RG78 PN341 RD128 SD2 ED15 SN200
(Married 13yrs)

(below perhaps)

Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
Waller John Thomas Chelsea 1a 865
Perrin Marie Ann Chelsea 1a 865

Chris :)

edits

21 December 1883 - Western Gazette - Yeovil, Somerset, England

Death
Dec. 11 at 4, Market Street, Weymouth, Rev. GEORGE Ranyell, Wesleyan minister, in his 75th year.

I have found out that Harold Royston (Nellie's son, b. 1903) went from the Boys Model School in Norfolk, Norwich, which apparently he left in 1917 to go to work, and ended up entering the Training Farm, Goudhurst, Kent in 1918 and was later appointed Housemaster there in 1926. I'm sending a request to Fegan's for information about him which may take a while, but I wonder if Irene went to an equivilent girls school? Apparently in 1911 both Harold and Irene were with a foster family in Twickenham - possibly a Thomas Walker??? Who would have placed them there? Would it have been a church organisation or government? Nellie's grandfather was a Methodist minister...

I just can't understand why or how a mother could leave her two young children to fend for themselves and come and go to and from Bombay without seeming to catch up with them. Mum does say that my Nana (Irene) visited Norwich and said that she was happy there....

Title: Suggestions for Artistic Draperies ... Approximate quantities required.
Author: Edward RANYELL Publication Details: [London] : C. Bunker, [1900]

Identifier: System number 003040648

Physical Description: 8º.

Shelfmark(s): General Reference Collection D-07943.l.3.(7.)

UIN: BLL01003040648

The British Libray hold the above. .Edward was a curtain designer with artistic flair. :-)

I feel sure he was related to Nellie father...a nephew or cousin..

by following the link in that reference given by Chris .......... how to contact Asian and African Studies at the British Library ..........

British Library: Asian and African Studies (previously Oriental and India Office Library)

96 Euston Road
London
England
NW1 2DB

Telephone: 020 7412 7873

Fax: 020 7412 7641

Email: [email protected]

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/e804e750-3677-4644-bd3b-3d52c0bc10da

(Reference to document held at British Library)

Title:
File 1916 Pol/3 Mrs. Ranyell European Nurse - engagement of - by Manawadar.

Chris :)


26 April 1890 - Thetford & Watton Times and People's Weekly Journal

Marriage
Helsdon - Lincoln. On the 16th inst., St. Martin at-Oak Church, by the Rev. D. Dickson, Vicar,
Frederick William Helsdon to Edith Fanny, only daughter of Mrs. John Lincoln, both of Norwich.


(reference below, Lincoln, Pottergate Street)

04 October 1887 - Bury and Norwich Post - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk

Marriage
Wallis, 8, Chester-terrace, Eaton-square, to Lydia (Lily), fifth and youngest daughter of James aud Eliza Lincoln, 104, Pottergate- street, Norwich.

I PM'd Juliet about the full DOB

She can't get her hands on the birth certificate at the moment but will post as soon as she can

Let's hope it helps

The other children baptised to the same parents as Nellie,

Jessie and Laura,

they married and only Laura that I can see only had a son,so probally no later relatives that could hold or passed on information about Nellie .