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Juliet
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1 Mar 2016 19:00 |
This is amazing! I am bowled over by your kindness and expertise. These are huge leaps forward in piecing together Nellie's story. It means so much. Thank-you!
1901 Living in Upper Street, Islington working as Draper's Assistant
1903 - Living at 62 Marylebone Lane. She gives birth to Harold in September of this year at Queen Charlotte's Hospital.
1906 - Nellie Ranyell b. 1882, Tottenham, Middlesex - is living in Lambeth at the house of Lavinia Groom (midwife) where she has Irene Lucie Lavinia Ranyell (my Nana).
1907 - Nellie trained as a midwife at the General Lying-in Hospital in either Lambeth or Marylebone. (Don't know where the children are.)
Then - she goes off the grid until 1911 when she returns from Bombay with Alice Reed (b. 1880, daughter of Joseph Hepworth, b. 1835, successful clothier) and her baby son, Eric. She is on the census at their house, Hazelwood, in Torquay.
(In the 1911 Census - her widowed mother, Eliza Eugenie Ranyell, 58, is head of household at 651 Lea Bridge Road, Leyton, Essex living with her son Ernest, 25, and daughter, Dorothy, 20.)
1913 - she returns from Bombay to Plymouth, May 23rd. Her son, Harold is at King Edward's Grammar in Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk where she is listed as Parent. (By 1914, he is in Norfolk at the Boys Model School - a charity school with Mr. Helsdon as his parent/guardian).
December 14th, 1915 - January 12th, 1916 she is nurse to Begum of Manavadar and just disappears never to be heard from again.
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AustinQ
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1 Mar 2016 19:02 |
Hi Juliet, where did you get the info re 1915/ 1916
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Juliet
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1 Mar 2016 19:04 |
ummmm... ! My Mum - let me check and get back to you!
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Juliet
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1 Mar 2016 19:12 |
My mum visited the School of Oriental and African Studies and found a reference to her from a government body of some sort - a British agency in Bombay.
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1 Mar 2016 19:26 |
Ernest her brother was in ww1 decribed in his records as Nurse ! born Tottenham. NOK was Elizabeth his mother,Laura and Lily,---Sisters?
3 changes of address, 1.52 Coppermill Lane Walthamstow,-on first army papers, 2,54,Leaburge Road Clapton.---this is NOK address, 3,62 Belmont Park Road Leyton,,,,,,this also has been a former address>
Ernest Last name Ranyell Service number 18514 Regiment Royal Army Medical Corps Unit / Battalion 19th Stafford Hospital Event year 1916 Age 31 Birth year 1885 Birth town >>>>Tottenham<<<< Birth county Middlesex Birth country England Residence town - Residence county Essex Series WO 363 Record set British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from Great Britain
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alviegal
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1 Mar 2016 19:47 |
Found this on http://www.familyrelatives.com/search/data_medical_register_midwives.php?page=13362&fn&order=desc&ofield=n
RANYELL Nellie 1920 Midwives Roll 1920
Can't access what it says though, I'm afraid.
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AustinQ
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1 Mar 2016 19:53 |
It's a great find alviegal :-)
She's also listed as N Ranyell when training in 1907. So presumeably info re her career will be listed under Nellie.
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alviegal
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1 Mar 2016 20:08 |
Thanks AustinQ, it's taken us a wee bit further forward but I can't see anything else about her :-S :-S
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Kay????
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1 Mar 2016 20:38 |
Maybe not but worth a putting incase the death cert wants to be sent for.year of birth is a little out.
First name(s) NELLIE Last name RANWELL Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1883 Age 82 Death quarter 4 Death year 1965 District ENFIELD County Middlesex Volume 5B Page 307 Country England Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britating here.
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SylviaInCanada
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1 Mar 2016 20:51 |
out of interest, this might be the child that Nellie nursed for the Begum
I found it by googling the Begum of Manavadar ..........
http://www.royalark.net/India2/manava3.htm
1888 - 1918 Khan Shri Fateh ud-din Khanji Ghazanfar Khanji Babi, Khan Sahib of Bantva-Manavadar. ............................ m. (second) at Mangrol, 8th December 1910, Fatima Siddiqa Begum Sahiba, KIH Gold Medal (2.6.1923) (b. at Mangrol, 23rd March 1891; d. at Manavadar, 5th May 1943), Administrator of Manavadar during the minority of her eldest son from 19th October 1918 to 12th November 1931, her model administration and efforts towards providing free health and education securing promotion to the status of a second class state, rcvd: Silver Jubilee (1935) and Coron (1937) medal ..................... He d. during the great influenza epidemic, at Zorawarbagh Palace, Manavadar, 19th October 1918, having had issue, two sons and four daughters:
3. Sahibzadi Bima Shri Ismat Jahan Bakhte [Kulsum Begum Sahiba]. b. at Manavadar, 12th December 1915 (d/o Fatima Siddiqa). m. at Zorawarbagh Palace, Manavadar, 25th April 1940, Meherban Shaikh Shri Shaikh Muhammad Nasir ud-din Mian Sahib Bahadur, Shaikh Sahib of Mangrol (b. at Kurwai, 9th August 1916; d. at Karachi, Pakistan, 15th January 1991), eldest son of Meherban Shaikh Shri Shaikh Muhammad 'Abdu'l Khaliq I [Dada Bapu Mian] Sahib Bahadur, Shaikh Sahib of Mangrol, by his first wife, Ahmed Zaman Begum Sahiba, the eldest daughter of Mushfiq Meherban-i-Dostan Nawab Muhammad Yaqub 'Ali Khan, Nawab of Kurwai. She d. at Karachi, Pakistan, 2nd March 2005, having had issue, one son and four daughters - see India Non-Salute (Mangrol).
The mother of 5 of the 6 children was Fatima ....... but no 3 was born 12th December 1915, which fits the dates that Nellie was there
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AustinQ
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2 Mar 2016 07:50 |
Just looking at the death that Kay put up-
This could be that Nellie on the 1939 register, but I don't have access. Could someone see if there's an occupation listed for Nellie and what her marital status is?:
Edith Benman 1885 Wokingham R.D. Berkshire Sarah J Miles 1865 Wokingham R.D. Berkshire Nellie Ranwell 1883 Wokingham R.D. Berkshire ---------------------------------------------------------------
The probate Calandar doesn't make her marital status clear.
Name: Nellie Ranwell Probate Date: 7 Mar 1966 Registry: London, England Death Date: 28 Nov 1965 Death Place: London, England
Of 88 The Ridgeway, Chingford ...died 28 November 1965 at St. Michael's Hospital, Enfield...to Muriel Janet De Waele, married woman and Mary Nation, spinster £22728 --------------------------------------------
EDIT: SCRAP THIS ONE- this is her marriage:
Marriages Jun 1920 Blenman Nellie Ranwell Hackney 1b 1271 Ranwell Frederick Blenman Hackney 1b 1271
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Kay????
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2 Mar 2016 08:03 |
ELIZA Last name RANYELL Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1852 Age 83 Death quarter 2 Death year 1935 District CAMBERWELL County London Volume 1D Page 686 Country England Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain (c) brightsolid online publishing ltd
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Nellies mothers death?
Would the informant throw anything up.?
1939 Ernest her brother was a patient in a hosptial for possibly the nervous condition he was discharged for from the army. WW1.
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AustinQ
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2 Mar 2016 08:05 |
The midwives rolls are not available on line at the National Archives but you can request copies:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C6488
Leaflet that may be of interest: https://www.rcog.org.uk/globalassets/documents/guidelines/library-services/heritage/rcm-genealogy.pdf
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PatinCyprus
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2 Mar 2016 08:06 |
On the 1939 register doesn't appear to be the right woman
Nellie Ranwell 28 Oct 1883 Voluntary Helper Of Evacuees L C C 192 SEX Female MARITAL STATUS Married
Edit ties up with AustinQ's edit
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Kay????
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2 Mar 2016 12:06 |
1901,
Maud Last name Ranyell Relationship Lodger Marital status Single Gender Female Age 26 Birth year 1875 Occupation ***Drapers Assistant*** Birth town Clapham Birth town as transcribed CLAPHAM Birth county Surrey Birth county as transcribed LONDON Birth place England Birth place other as transcribed - Other household member first name(s) MAUD Other household member last name RANYELL Street Claribel Street Town - Parish Toxteth Park City - Country England County Lancashire Municipal ward Princes Park Registration district Toxteth Park Archive reference RG13 Piece number 3434 Folio 88 Page 29 Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census.
Ernest relates NOK WW1 as ,Elizabeth mother-Laura,and Lily --Lily could be Lavina Ada.?as per 1901 family in London. Category
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Kay????
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2 Mar 2016 17:50 |
First name(s) Edward Last name Ranyell Relationship Boarder Marital status Single Gender Male Age 31 Birth year 1870 Occupation ***Curtain Designer** Birth town Boston Birth town as transcribed BOSTON Birth county Lincolnshire Birth county as transcribed LINCOLNSHIRE Birth place England Birth place other as transcribed - Other household member first name(s) ARTHUR, AMY, EDNA, FLORENCE, EDWARD Other household member last name BURFORD, HOLDERNESS, RANYELL Street Pennard Road Town - Parish Hammersmith City - Country England County London Municipal ward 4 Registration district Fulham Archive reference RG13 Piece number 42 Folio 145 Page 23 Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Great Britain.
A relation? curtains is drapery.
I belive he married in London.
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Edward Last name Ranyell Relationship Head Marital status Am Sex Male Occupation House Furnisher Mancock Age 42 Birth year 1869 Birth place Lincolnshire Boston Address 34 Whitefriars Crescent Westcliff Hinton Parish Prittlewell County Essex Country England Archive reference RG14 Registration district Rochford Registration district number 195 Enumeration district 12 District number - Sub district Prittlewell Sub district number 2 Census reference RG14PN10124 RG78PN533A RD195 SD2 ED12 SN123 Piece number 10124 Folio - Page - Other household member first name(s) CHARLES, EDWARD, ISABEL, MAUD Other household member last name RANYELL, WEBB Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Great Britain.
1939 register,
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION Edward Ranyell 29 Jul 1867 Decorative Artist (Designer) Elizabeth Ranyell 04 May 1878 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Elizabeths name is corrected to Isabel.
so there maybe Ranyell relations about that could have known Nellie in the family.?
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Kay????
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2 Mar 2016 18:04 |
one more into the mix for man above.
1891. Relationship Shopman Marital status Single Gender Male Age 24 Birth year 1867 Occupation ***Drapers Assistant*** Birth town Boston Birth town as transcribed BOSTON Birth county Lancashire Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE Birth place England Street Sloane Street Town - Parish Chelsea City - County London Registration district Chelsea Archive reference RG12 Piece number 62 Folio 64 Page 30 Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Great Britain.
Edward died 1967 in Sheringham Norfolk aged 99,,his estate £22,562 went to Charles Edward,(son)a contracts furnishing advisor.
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Gee
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2 Mar 2016 18:25 |
Juliet
Have you got her birth certificate with her full DOB?
It 'might' help if we had these details
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2 Mar 2016 18:38 |
another little gem,
Harolds entry to King Edward school.
Parent------Mrs Ranyell---address ---
Lincoln House 104 Pottersgate Street Norwich, (a school in Norwich)
did she become a a school nurse//matron.?
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AustinQ
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2 Mar 2016 19:41 |
What year is that Kay?
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