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ArgyllGran
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24 Feb 2016 12:17 |
If "Hair Dresser" was something to do with horse hair, not human hair, there's this Josiah in 1861:
Josiah Harris in the 1861 England Census Name: Josiah Harris Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: 1846 Relation: Son Mother's name: Hannah Harris Gender: Male Where born: St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England Civil Parish: Limehouse Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Limehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 189 Piece: 286 Folio: 46 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Harris 43 - widow, laundress Sarah A Harris 18 - daughter, laundress Josiah Harris 15 - son, horse hair manufacturer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< George Harris 13 - son, ditto Eliza Harris 5 - daughter, scholar William Gilbert 48 - boarder Martha Gilbert 19 - boarder
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No! Another good theory bites the dust. In 1851 his father is Dennis.
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ArgyllGran
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24 Feb 2016 11:41 |
Just as an aside - I think Josiah's occupation at marriage (and that of his father) is Hair Dresser. That's what his father's occ'n looks like, anyway, with the first s written as f.
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ArgyllGran
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24 Feb 2016 11:05 |
Are you sure about the 1901 you found for Helen Harris, boarder/housekeeper?
I wonder about this one - though she does say she's single:
Ellenor Brooks in the 1901 England Census
Name: Ellenor Brooks Age: 59 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: London, England Civil Parish: Woolwich Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Charlton County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 19 Prospect Place Condition as to marriage: S Registration district: Woolwich Sub-registration district: Woolwich ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 567 Folio: 139 Page Number: 18 Household schedule number: 121 Household Members: Name Age Ellenor Brooks 59 - aunt; draper <<<<<<<<<<<< Fanny Brooks 28 - niece; draper's assistant; born Oxford
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ArgyllGran
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24 Feb 2016 10:55 |
If she was actually 68 in 1911, she was quite a bit older than Edward Owen:
Just for helpers' reference:
Edward Anwyl Owen in the 1911 England Census Name: Edward Anwyl Owen Age in 1911: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Flintshire, Wales Civil Parish: Battersea County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 7 York Road, Battersea SW Marital Status: Married Occupation: DRAPER Registration district: Wandsworth Registration District Number: 26 Sub-registration district: North West Battersea ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Piece: 2207 Household Members: Name Age Edward Anwyl Owen 44 Ellin Owen 55
Have you found Edward in 1901, to see what he says about his marital state? (Not that it helps with your search for Ellen in earlier years.)
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PricklyHolly
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24 Feb 2016 10:45 |
I can't seem to spot Josiah in 1871...1881 and 1891.
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KathleenBell
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24 Feb 2016 10:42 |
Possible for Ellen in 1871 census:-
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Falmouth Road, Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ellen Harris Lodger - Female 28 1843 -
She is married and is living in Lambeth with George Grish and his wife Eliza. Ellen is a straw bonnet maker. No sign of Josiah though.
Kath. x
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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24 Feb 2016 10:25 |
Strange though Josiah says he is a widower in 1901
But his occupation is vastly out from his marriage of a hair roper so don't think it's the right Josiah
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PricklyHolly
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24 Feb 2016 10:20 |
Ellen Brooks in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Ellen Brooks (Spinster) Spouse: Josiah Richard Harris (Batchelor) Hair Roper?? Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 22 Jun 1869 Parish: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth Borough: Lambeth Father Name: William Brooks (Starch Manufacturer) Spouse Father: William Harris (Hair Roper?) Register Type: Parish Register Witnesses: James and Sarah Irshwood
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alviegal
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24 Feb 2016 10:19 |
Perhaps someone could check this one out as well?
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 105, Malpas Road, St Paul Deptford, Greenwich, London, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Josiah R Harris Head Widower Male 61 1840 Professor Of Music City of London, Middlesex, England Transcription Helen Barker Niece Widow Female 34 1867 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Anna H Barker Niece Single Female 18 1883 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Alice S Barker Niece Single Female 17 1884 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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alviegal
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24 Feb 2016 10:17 |
Could this be a marriage?
England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription Print transcription View image First name(s) ELLEN Last name BROOKS Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1869 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ ELLEN BROOKS married one of these people >>JOSIAH RICHARD HARRIS<<, HENRY SHEATH District LAMBETH District number - County London Country England Volume 1D Page 476
Sorry must leave as work calls :-( :-( Hopefully someone else can pick up on this.
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PricklyHolly
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24 Feb 2016 10:15 |
In case you don't have this......
Ellen Brooks in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: Ellen Brooks Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 12 Mar 1843 Father's name: William Brooks....Vauxhall Walk (Starch Maker) Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann Brooks Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary Borough: Lambeth Register Type: Parish Registers
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alviegal
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24 Feb 2016 10:12 |
1851 for OUR reference.
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Hercules Hall, 2, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Brooks Head Married Male 46 1805 Starch Maker Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Elizabeth Brooks Wife Married Female 42 1809 - Lincolnshire, England Transcription Elizabeth Brooks Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 - Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Charles Brooks Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Drapers Shopman Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Clara Brooks Daughter - Female 12 1839 Scholar At Home Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription William Brooks Son - Male 14 1837 - Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Ellen Brooks Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar At Home Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Frederick Weston Visitor Unmarried Male 15 1836 Warehouseman In Shirts Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Elizabeth Swaine Servant - Female 14 1837 House Servant Cambridgeshire, England
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Peter
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24 Feb 2016 10:02 |
I am having great difficulty tracing this person:
1851 I have Ellen Brooks aged 8 daughter of William Brooks starch manufacturer of 59 Hercules Hall or Mansions Lambeth London SE 1861 Ellen Brooks aged 18 living with George an uncle - not sure this is right Ellen 1871 ?? 1881 ?? 1891 ?? the difficulty in this period she may have been an actress with a different name and lying about her age. We know later she used the surname HARRIS. Was she married? 1898 we know from a press report she was living at 7 York Rd Battersea as Mrs Eleanor HARRIS. I have not been able to trace her previous husband. 1899 marriage certificate has Ellenor HARRIS father Wm Brook starch manufacturer. She married my great uncle Edward Anwyl OWEN, linen draper. 1901 Helen HARRIS (Boarder/housekeeper) 7 York Rd born 1853 Lambeth!! She had been married to Mr OWEN for 2 years, but say she is Harris and a domestic. 1911 Ellin OWEN, 7 York Rd, aged 55 when she was really 68. I have not been able to find her death record; or whether she ever had children. Help!
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