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Ummm - 1871 posted here in 2016 by PricklyHolly, Peter.

Also 1851 and 1861 posted above in 2016.

after a very long delay I have just found Josiah R Harris in the 1871 census. The problem is he is called James Harris and is not a hair dresser but a clerk. He is married to Ellen (nee Brooks) in my family tree. Class: RG10; Piece: 607; Folio: 33; Page: 3; GSU roll: 818910
He was born 1849 • Stoke Damerel, Devonport Devon
He did indeed die in Stoke Damerel in 1879. as Malyon said above.
I have also found him in 1851 and 1861 with his father William in Devonport, both shown as hair dressers so must be right.

Anything else on Josiah and esp Ellen would be great.. :-)

This might be Ellen and Josiah on the 1871 census.......

Josiah has been transcribed as James.....Occ: Clerk

??

Ellen Harris in the 1871 England Census
Name: Ellen Harris
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Harris
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England
Civil Parish: St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road

Household Members:

James Harris 24 Born Devonport, Devon
Ellen Harris 27

(49 St George's Road)

You could contact the church to enquire about the death of Ellen.

http://chaldonchurch.co.uk/

If you ask nicely, they might even send you a photo of Edward's grave. :-)

Chaldon St Peter & St Paul
______________________
Nov, 1952.
______________________

EDWARD ANWYL OWEN

Died at his home, Littlewood, Rook Lane on Sept 25th, age 84. If ever there was a Christian man who adorned his religion, it was he. He radiated the joy, which is one of the characteristic marks of the Christian. We shall miss him in many ways. Sunday after Sunday he was found at Matins doing his work as Sidesman and welcoming in the congregation. He could always be relied on.
As School Manager for many years, he had given unstinted and generous service.
As treasurer of Six Brothers Field he had been most useful. It was typical of him to provide and keep in repair the seat for the bus passengers. Generosity was one of his outstanding qualities. You would never see that "Mr Owen had given this" or that. His right hand did not know what his left hand did. He was a prominent member of the Welsh societies, Cymmrodorion and the Denbighshire Society. He was a prime mover in the early closing and also in the Daylight Saving Schemes, from which we benefit so much now. In his younger days he was a great sportsman in rowing and running. He was a great lover of the country as well as of London.
"He being dead yet speaketh." "Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die it abideth alone: but if it die it bringeth forth fruit." May the men of Chaldon be stimulated to follow in his steps. Our sympathy goes to Miss Hammond, his friend and housekeeper for 21 years.

Edward Anwyl Owen in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Edward Anwyl Owen
Probate Date: 27 Nov 1952
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 25 Sep 1952
Death Place: Surrey, England

Of Littlewood Chaldon Surrey.

To John Ernest Morris.....Solicitor

Effects: £9470

As she told a porky about her age in 1911.......

???

Ellen Owen in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Ellen Owen
Birth Date: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Mar 1941
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Surrey North Western
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 839

Josiah has been mis-transcribed as Joseph on the 1861 census. On the image, it clearly reads......Josiah.

Joseph Harris in the 1861 England Census
Name: Joseph Harris
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: 1848
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Webb
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonpt, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Morice

Household Members:

James Webb 81
Susanna Webb 76

Richard Netting 72
Mary A Netting 63
Elizabeth J Netting 27

William Harris 55 Hair Dresser (Married)
Joseph Harris 13 Hair Dresser
Thomas Goodman 18 (Apprentice)

Three separate households.......The Webb's living at No 59 Cornwall Street....The Netting's living at No 60 Cornwall Street........William, Josiah and Thomas Goodman No 61 Cornwall Street.

My eyes balls have turned inside out............so I will check back on here tomorrow.

Prickles. x

That looks good Prickles. Here's fmp's version of it.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
26, Cornwall Street, Stoke Demerel, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Harris Head Married Male 46 1805 Horse Dresser Calstock, Cornwall, England
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Frances Harris Wife Married Female 37 1814 - Calstock, Cornwall, England
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Grace Harris Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 - Calstock, Cornwall, England
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William Harris Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Scholar Calstock, Cornwall, England
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James Harris Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England
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Josiah Harris Son - Male 3 1848 - Devonport, Devon, England
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Eliza Cayton Servant Married Female 26 1825 House Servant Liskeard, Cornwall, England
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John Stephens Lodger Unmarried Male 29 1822 Labourer Ireland
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John Frainer Lodger Unmarried Male 40 1811 Labourer Tavistock, Devon, England
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John Daw Lodger Unmarried Male 19 1832 Labourer Tavistock, Devon, England
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William Daw Lodger Unmarried Male 20 1831 Labourer Tavistock, Devon, England
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James Curtis Lodger Married Male 28 1823 Labourer Tavistock, Devon, England
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James Reed Lodger Unmarried Male 21 1830 Seaman London, Middlesex, England
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John Viven Lodger Married Male 46 1805 Miner Liskeard, Cornwall, England



and the death that could be his. Already posted I know. He lived on Tavistock Street.



Plymouth Deaths & Burials Transcription
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First name(s) Josiah Richard
Last name Harris
Age 30
Birth year 1849
Burial year 1879
Burial date 04 May 1879
Denomination Anglican
Place Stoke Damerel
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference 166/97/a
Page 62

Hmmmm, this is interesting........

Taking into consideration.......back in those day's, a double "ss" was often spelt as "fs"

For example.........My 3x Grt Grandmother appears on the census records as Mary Mofts. Took me months to discover that the "fs" was the old spelling of "ss"

She was Mary Moss!!

So............taking that into consideration....

??

Josiah Harris in the 1851 England Census
Name: Josiah Harris
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Harris
Mother's name: Frances Harris
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Morice

Household Members:

William Harris 46 (Hair Drefser) <<<<<
Frances Harris 37
Grace Harris 28 >>>> Possibly age 18 on the image?
William Harris 12
James Harris 7
Josiah Harris 3 <<<<<
Elisa Coyton 26
John Stephens 29
John Fraince 40
John Daw 19
William Daw 20
James Curtis 26
James Reed 21
John Viven 46

I tried to send you a PM Peter and got the dreaded "Error Message" ....just checked my "Sent Messages" and one of the two messages I sent you, has the attachment of the marriage record.

Phew!!! Prickles. :-)

It's from Ancestry Peter.......I will send you a PM and add it as an attachment.

Prickles. :-)

Prickly - I would love a copy of the marriage in 1869. Where do you get these online. My ancestry and Genes accounts do not allow seeing the cert without paying - which site do you use? Peter

could this be his death

Deaths Jun 1879 (>99%)
Harris Josiah Richard 30 Stoke D. 5b 235

i wonder if josiah harris went by he's second name richard

Ellen (Ellin) is on the 1911 census Malyon.......so that can't be her death.

this looks like ellen's death

Deaths Mar 1908
HARRIS Ellen 65 Southwark 1d 75

Hi Peter

Would you like me to send you the image of the marriage record.........or have you found it now?

Prickles.

Thank you very much for this. Josiah R HARRIS is a big breakthrough. By the way my 1901 Helen HARRIS is definitely correct. Living with Edw OWEN, my great uncle.

It would help to able to find a Josiah Richard Harris in the 1851 or 1861 census with father William a Hair Roper........so that we could establish when and where he was born.

Not having any luck though. :-(

Edit: I have just double checked the occupations of Josiah and father William on the marriage record. ArgyllGran you could be right about their occupation being "Hair Dresser"......The "fs" looks to be the old version of "ss"

At least it clears up who she married.

Prickles.