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Assuming the 1911 posted by rootgatherer is correct, George couldn't possibly be widowed on 2 Apr 1911 (census date) if Ellen was born on 24 Sep 1911.

Perhaps her mother/his wife was living with someone else and had taken their name?

Hi Detective thank you for the info of 1939 census
Ellen Redfern did marry George Ruston
but i didnt know there occupations and the address.
Ellens father died 1935 and her mother 1958. its allvery strange

Janette ..............

where did you get your information on the family birth dates and places?

The only marriage I can find for a George Redfern to an Ellen was in 1907, and that was to an Ellen Lunn. They are on the 1911 Census, married 2 years, no children.

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1936 (>99%)

Redfern Ellen Ruston Sheffield 9c 573
Ruston George Redfern Sheffield 9c 573
Steele Florence Stone Sheffield 9c 573
Stone William Steele Sheffield 9c 573


Chris

Hiya,SylviaIncanada
here goes with the infoi have hope you can help.
starting with Ellen Redfern born 1911.Birth certificate father george redfern mother ellen redfern (nee redfern) living 35 Dun Street sheffield.

Ellen Redfern born 1911 brother Harry born 11th april 1917 died 21 january 2002 24 st leonards court longley sheffield. Harry married in1940 and was living at 49 woodside lane pitsmoor sheffield

Ellen redfern born 1911 brother Alfred redfern born 1909 and living at 5court matthew street sheffield married 1931 and was living 6/10 Hoyle street died 1980 94 cooksen road sheffield.

Ellen redfern born 1911 parents
George redfern born 2nd day of august 1883 and that his parents were George redfern and Sarah Young in worcester massachusetts.

Ellen redfern born1911 mother
Ellen redfern born 1880 4 court radford street sheffield

Ellen redfern born 1911 parents marriage
george redfern and ellen redfern april29th 1907 both living at 29 matthewstreet

all infowas taken from birth and wedding certificates hope this may help
thanks
Janette

HI sorry tobe a pain again,
Ellen Redfern born sheffield 1911
her brother Alfred Redfern born 1909
when he married in 1931 wedding certificate says he was living at 6/10 Hoyle street.

But the family living at this addresswas a family called Gabbitas.
Ada Gabbitas born 1887
married WalterRedfern born 1887 married 1908
Walter Redfern was the uncle to Ellen Redfern and Alfred Redfern.
so do you think the Redfern family moved in with the Gabbitas family as lodgers due to possibility of being poor.

Janette- what was the occupation of George on Ellen's birth certificate?

Sheffield Evening Telegraph - Monday 05 September 1910

Policeman Badly Treated.
Having arrested dome boys for gaming with coins, Police constables, Plackett and Kirby were taking them home to ascertain their names when Lizzie Redfern of 38 Dun Street, followed for about a quarter of a mile and threw coal, stones and dirt at the officers....
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Sheffield Evening Telegraph - Wednesday 09 April 1919

Fuel Prosecutions
Three men, Walter Redfern of 32 Dun Street, Colin Pearce 66 Green Street, and William Knott of 27 Roscoe Road, were charged with being consumers unlawfully obtaining a quantity of coal from a man who was not a registered coal merchant....
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Hi Austin
Ellen Redfern born 1911 on birth certificate father George was a looks like boiler firer at stell rolling mill
and Ellen Redfern born 1880 father unknown
the sheffield telegraph news is very interesting thank you

1891 family living in Dun Street Sheffield.
George Redfern Head Married Male 37 1854 Razer Grinder Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Sarah Redfern Wife Married Female 31 1860 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Emily Redfern Daughter Single Female 15 1876 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
George Redfern Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Worcester
Alfred Redfern Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Walter Redfern Son - Male 4 1887 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Arthur Redfern Son - Male 3 1888 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Ernest Redfern Son - Male 1 1890 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

re- Ellen Redfern born 1880-
there is a Ellen Redfern in the 1891 census
living with a James & Jane Middleton as adopted daughter
As far as I can see Jane was a Redfern before she married.
Just a thought as there was no father's name on the birth cert

1911 England Census Summary Books (Ancestry)

(looking at above, 35, Dun Street, Sheffield...Redfearn. 3 Males 4 Females.

Chris :)


09 April 1919 - Sheffield Evening Telegraph - Sheffield, South Yorkshire

Fuel Prosecutions.
Three men, Walter Redfern, of 32, Dun Street, Sheffield; Colin Pearce, 66. Green Street, Sheffield, and William Knott, of 27, Roscoo Road, Sheffield; were charged with obtaining a quantity of coal, from a man who was not a registered coal merchant.
All defendants pleaded guilty, and Pearce and Redfern said they had just been demobilised, and were in need of coal. The magistrates fined the defendants 5s each. They understood it was the first it was prosecution of it's kind in Sheffield, and they hoped it would be the last.


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edits (with apology to AustinQ, as above article already posted)