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In 1904 Willie is living at 18 Grey Street,Barrowford and in 1911 Census age 27 he is a visitor at 7 Grey Street, Barrowford ,the age would be correct.

I did search on FMP Soldiers Died In the Great War 1914-1918 and found the same entry as you but dismissed it as he said unmarried and I did not see who his parents were.
I thought Private Willie Ashworth 8746 Kings Own Liverpool Reg 1st Battalion, born Barrowford,enlisted Warrington,Residence Nelson,Lancs was correct.
He died 28 October 1914,France and Flanders.
My father was told his father died in 1914 ?

The marriage cert I have is Jan 28th 1902.
Willie Ashworth , age 18 ,Weaver of Willow St ,Barrowford,father George,Card Room Master,
Lilian Horrocks age 18 a Weaver,14 Ormerod St,Father William Horrocks,Weaver.
When I looked in the newspapers for Burnley Soldiers who died in WW1 I found a photo of Willie Ashworth 8226 I think he had died.
Not sure what is right now.

Do you have the marriage certificate for William and Lilian??

Who does William say is his father on that certificate??


I'm puzzled by the fact that in 1904 when he joined the Militia, Willie Ashworth stated that he was Single, that he had NO children under the age of 14, and gave his parents and siblings as his NOK .............. a complete denial of the truth if he is the one who married Lilian.

There is also the fact that Willie, with father George and mother Kezia(h) always seems to use Willie, never William .......... even on his birth registration and baptism

Births Dec 1883 (>99%)

ASHWORTH Willie Burnley 8e 297


Lancashire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911

Name: Willy Ashworth
Birth Date: 6 Dec 1883
Baptism Date: 19 Oct 1884
Parish: Barrowford, Lancashire, England
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Father: George Ashworth
Mother: Keziah Ashworth
Register Type: Parish Registers
Reference Number: PR 3170/1/2

from image:-
Born:- Dec 6 1883
Father occupation:- Carder

from the information you have given, this has to be Willie/William in 1901, with his parents ............

1901 Census

Name: Willie Ashworth
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: George Ashworth
Mother: Kezia Ashworth
Birth Place: Barrowford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Barrowford
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Ecclesiastical parish: Barrowford St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Colne
ED, institution, or vessel: 35

Piece: 3890
Folio: 62
Page Number: 16
Household schedule number: 95

George Ashworth 55 b.ca 1846, Blacks, Lancashire [Blacko, Lancashire], Builders Carter
Kezia Ashworth 55 b.ca 1846, Barnsley, Yorkshire, Cotton Weaver
Willie Ashworth 17 Cotton Weaver
Alfred Ashworth 15 Cotton Weaver
George Heys 25 b.ca 1876, Haslingden, Lancashire, Son-in-Law, Cotton Weaver
May Heys 21 b.ca 1880, Barrowford, Daughter, Cotton Weaver
Walter Heys 3/12

Address:- 18 Wilton St


and it does seem that Willie/Willy was his correct name, as I found a baptism for him, and that is the name on the CWGC site

That means that this is him, from FMP ................


British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First name(s) WILLIE
Last name ASHWORTH
Birth year 1884
Birth parish BARROWFORD
Birth town BARROWFORD
Birth county LANCASHIRE
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 8226
Rank -
Regiment -
Document Type Attestation
Attestation year 1904
Attestation Day 12
Attestation Month 3
Attestation age years 20
Attestation age months -
Attestation Corps 3RD LIVERPOOL REGT
Attestation service number 8226
Series WO96 militia service records 1806-1915
Box 170
Box Record Number 248
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from United Kingdom

from image:-

Single <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< !!!!
0 children under 14 <<<<<<<<<<< !!!!

Address:- 18 Gray St, Barrowford
Occupation:- Weaver
Age:- 20
Height:- 5' 3½"
Weight:- 112 lbs
Eyes:- Grey
Hair:- Brown
Tattoo on left forearm

Next of Kin:- Father George, mother Kezia, Brother Alfred, Sister Mary


Nary a mention of Lillian or children ??????????????

Thank you Mary,

This may be William / Willie Ashworth. If he and Lilian were now separated
and not yet divorced they would both be listed as married.
He may have been in the Army part time and went to War in 1914 ?
I was told if a man Joined The Colours he could still be working but was in the Army part time until a War I suppose and I think maybe this could be why Lilian gave birth to Stanley in Bishop Auckland as I was told there was a large Army place there ?
They could have moved about not sure how long she was there.
1 Oxford Terrace is not there anymore.

1911?? 7,Gray Street Nelson
William Ashworth a cotton weaver age 27 born Barrowford married
He was down as a visitor
head of house
Edwin Heath age 30.

Maryb.

Thank you Austin Q,time delay on reply I am in BC Canada.

This may have been my grandmother Lilian /Lily.
Poor woman I wonder what happened to the child if she went to prison.
This Lily Ashworth would have been in prison until March 1907 my Lilian
had to be living with her husband Willie Ashworth by June 1907
as my father Stanley was born 7th May 1908

if this is my Lilian her going to prison could be why she is on her own and putting her children in the workhouse.
I remember the workhouse admission register for Hackney it said she was abandoned but I thought it was because Ida Frances was not from her marriage and Willie had left her.
So hard to piece together bits of info together but I can see all this may work..
My early research papers 1985 while living in London were lost in a house move so I am tracing a lot from memory and it is getting harder.
Thank you everyone for your interest and help.

Burnley Express - Wednesday 17 October 1906

NELSON WEAVER STEALS PURSES
Lily Ashworth (23) weaver of Nelson for stealing purses at Heysham, belonging to Leeds and East Lancashire visitors, was sentenced to four months imprisonment.
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Burnley Express - Saturday 01 September 1906

NELSON YOUNG WOMAN COMMITTED FOR TRIAL

There was a painful scene at Lancaster yesterday morning, when Lily Ashworth a Nelson young woman with a baby in her arms was charged with stealing a purse.....
When it came to taking her child from her the prisoner burst into tears. The court decided to leave the matter between the governor of the gaol and the relieving officer.
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Another article on the same subject states that Lily had been in custody at Heysham and said her husband was a soldier.

Baptism
Name: Lilian Horrocks
Birth Date: 12 Jul 1883
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1883
Parish: Padiham, Lancashire, England
Father: William Horrocks
Mother: Olivia Mary Horrocks
Register Type: Parish Registers
Reference Number: Pr 2863/1/10
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Church Lane End, Padiham, Burnley, Lancashire, England

William Horrocks Head Married Male 31 1860 Weaver Cotton Ramsbottom, Lancashire,
Oliver Horrocks Wife Married Female 32 1859 Weaver Cotton Padiham, Lancashire,
Lilian Horrocks Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Padiham, Lancashire,
Margaret A Horrocks Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Padiham, Lancashire,
Fred Horrocks Son - Male 2 1889 - Padiham, Lancashire,
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, Ormerod Street, Nelson, Burnley, Lancashire, England
William Horrocks Head Married Male 41 1860 Cotton Weaver Ramsbottom, Lancashire,
Olivia Horrocks Wife Married Female 43 1858 Cotton Winder Padiham, Lancashire,
Lily Horrocks Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Cotton Weaver Padiham, Lancashire
Maggie Horrocks Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Cotton Weaver Padiham, Lancashire
Fred Horrocks Son Single Male 12 1889 Cotton Weaver Halftimer Padiham, Lancs

Willie Ashworth 28th October 1914 .Killed in Action. YPRES,Belgium.
Name is on Mennin Gate Memorial.

That could be Ida just using her middle name of Frances.
From the Burnley Library in the 80s I was told that from their records
Ida Frances was fostered at age 5 to a family with a Grocers shop in Wigan.
Just to confuse me even more my grandmother had another child ,
Alice Martins Ashworth, born 6th Feb 1912 at 12 Dickson St,Burnley
Lilian was living at 14 Clough St,Burnley the home of a Thomas Martins and family.
Alice was fostered as an infant I did trace her she had married a Hubert Clegg but died 4 years before i made contact but I have a cousin Heather who I have .met

I was not sure but I do have a birth cert for Ida Frances Ashworth,born at 170 Homerton High St,Hacney Middx.
mother Lilian Ashworth formerly Horrocks of 25 Belgrave St,Nelson,Lancs.Reg 6th Jan 1910
I have have no idea why Lilian would be in Hackney unless visiting the two people she knew from her marriage.

Willie Ashworth was 18 when he marriedLilian his father was Goerge Ashworth born 1846 Blacko,Lancs,his mother was Kezia Doyle Everson born 1847 Bramley,Yorks.
Did not find him in the 1911 Census but my father said he was told Willie died in Ww! I found a Willie Ashworth age 30 died October 28th 1914 Killed in action.I think this is him.

????

Name: Frances Ashworth
Birth Date: 12 Dec 1909
Date of Registration: Jul 2001
Age at Death: 91
Registration district: Bolton
Inferred County: Lancashire, Lincolnshire
Register Number: B75A
District and Subdistrict: 0021B
Entry Number: 198

She went in twice


Name: Stanley Ashworth
Birth Date: 7 May 1907
Admission Age: 2
Admission Date: 2 Oct 1909
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Hackney
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Place: London, England
Title: Workhouses and Institutions, 1909-1910
With Lilian

Ida Ashworth
Birth Date: 12 Dec 1909
Admission Age: 0
Admission Date: 31 Jan 1910
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Hackney
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Place: London, England
Title: Workhouses and Institutions, 1909-1910

With Lilian only

Just because it came up !!!

Was Lilian telling porkies as can onky see the one Ida Frances on the birth records


Name: Ida Frances Ashworth
Birth Date: 2 Dec 1909
Baptism Date: 16 Feb 1910
Parish: Preston, St Mary, Lancashire, England
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Father: Robert Henry Ashworth
Mother: Lilian Ashworth
Register Type: Parish Registers
Reference Number: Pr 3025/1/7

So what age was Willie on their marriage cert and who was his dad

Have you found him on the 1911 census

On the face of it they had separated which maybe was why the children were in the workhouse so Lilian could work

Would think that 1911 census is her but the info put in was by the head of family and they got the info wrong or she was asked how long were you together so she repled up to when they separated

This is the only Ida Frances birth I can see but it's in London

Births Mar 1910
ASHWORTH Ida Frances Hackney 1 b. 473

Ties though with 12 month old Ida Ashworth in the Burnley workhouse in 1911,

Presume her dad wasnt willie/ William which is why she is a half sister

Edit our posts crossed :-)

On Dec 12th 1909 my aunt Ida Frances Ashworth was born in the Hackney workhouse London my father Stanley was there with his mother Lilian.
Lilian was staying in Hackney with John Hanson and Edith Lister the two people who signed as a the Witness on her marriage certificate.
Lilian must have moved back to Burnley soon after and when the children were put in the workhouse she puts their birthplace as Burnley ?

Thank you Dea,
On my fathers birth cert it shows Father,William Ashworth Mother Lilian Ashworth nee Horrocks, a cotton Weaver.
He was born at,1 Oxford Terrace,Bishop Auckland,Co Durham,7 May 1908.
No idea why there.
I found a marriiage of Willie Ashworth and Lilian Horrocks January 28 1902
St JohnsChurch,Great Marsden, Reg Dist,Burnley which I am sure is the correct one though it is not William Ashworth.
Hope I am not following the wrong family,my father knew so little of his family he was in the workhouse until age 12.He did say his father died in W W !

Diane


Dea posted the possible births of the other 3,children take a look on FreeBMD for possible deaths for them

What do you know about Willie Ashworth please? - Do you have the marriage cert?

Dea x