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Military records of George give Florence Brightwell (sister) as next of kin, so it does seem that Robert had passed away, or was certainly not around in the country.

Looking at this death. Way out of area, but right age. I can't see a birth or census records for him.

Deaths Sep 1909 (>99%)
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SILVER Robert 46 Barton I. 8c 316

Andy

thankyou andy, il have a look see where abouts it is,it might fit in with other members of the family or something, and as its the right age,i think il just go for the certificate,iv got nothing to lose,lol,

Barton under Irwell is Lancashire

Andy

thankyou,this realy looks promising, where did you find this?

Just by ploughing through all the death records of Roberts born 1862+/- 2 years and died 1910+/- 5 years. Doesn't take long.

Andy

Well i appreciate everyone helping me.il order it tomo and post on here if its right one or not. Thankyou all. X

(for above 1909)

Chris :)

Burial: 6 Aug 1909 St Peter, Swinton, Lancashire, England
Robert Silver -
Age: 46 years
Abode: 108 Walkden Road Walkden
Grave: 98
Buried by: E. W. Burnell
Register: Burials 1872 - 1928, Page 349, Entry 2789
Source: LDS Film 2356300

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Thats great chris.thankyou.i realy hope this is him.after all these yrs id like to finalise him and find out what happened to him.he has been my stumbling block for so many yrs x

Marriages Dec 1913 (>99%)
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Sivier Elizabeth Smith Camberwell 1d 1462
Smith Alfred R Sivier Camberwell 1d 1462

(looking at above image, Ancestry (25th December) just says Robert Sivier. Bricklayer)

Chris :)

(as Labourer for Edith Mary 1913 July 6th) who is Susan Sivier the witness?)

This family??

Robert Silver 44
Martha Silver 40
William Silver 18
Albert Silver 16
Elizabeth Silver 14
Nellie Silver 7
Beatrice A Silver 4

and marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%)
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SHAW Martha Barton 8c 687
SILVER Robert Barton 8c 687


Age is wrong.

That marriage was correct:

Marriage: 5 Jan 1880 St Peter, Swinton, Lancashire, England
Robert Silver - 23, Labourer, Bachelor, Swinton
Martha Shaw - 20, Weaver, Spinster, Swinton
Groom's Father: Richard Silver, Gardener
Bride's Father: John Shaw, Collier
Witness: David Silver; Mary Ellen Meadowcroft
Married by Banns by: Ronald Dunn
Register: Marriages 1878 - 1888, Page 31, Entry 61
Source: LDS Film 2356300


Martha re-married:

Marriage: 28 May 1910 St Paul, Walkden, Lancashire, England
John William Kirkham - 39, Labourer, Widower, 108 Walkden Rd.**
Martha Hannah Silver - (X), 44, Widow, 108 Walkden Rd.
Groom's Father: Richard Kirkham, Deceased, Carter
Bride's Father: Thomas Shaw, Deceased, Bricksetter
Witness: S. Worthington, (X); Mary Ellen Longworth, (X)
Married by Banns
Register: Marriages 1906 - 1919, Page 87, Entry 173
Source: Private Transcription

Note that the addresson second marriage is the same as on Robert's burial !

It does not look as though this Robert is the one we were first looking for !

Dea x

EDIT - NO !! - the first marriage has a different father for Martha :-S - I will explore further!

Dea x

oh gosh,thankyou,iv only just got in to find you have been realy busy on my behalf, i realy appreciate it thankyou.il read thro all yr findings,and get back,

ok,firstly,i have had a look thro my folder and iv no idea who susan sivier is,i havent found her,she is not a sibling or married to one of ediths brothers,am thinking a cousin maybe ,that i havent found yet.
and it looks like this robert silver isnt my robert sivier? god,i wish id started all this when grandad was alive,lol.

hi, iv looked thro my stuff, roberts wife died 21/4/1908. son charles went into the school 23/11/1908,it was a foster care home/school.he was taken out again 15/5/1909,and by 1911 charles and brother george were back into foster care together,lucy,minnie and frank were all in diffrent forster homes.so robert eitherdid die between 1911 and 1913 or went off as he obviously couldnt look adfter bthe children and work,but he isnt mentioned anywhere after 1911.

may have changed his name I had one left wife and children and was found using his mother's maiden name and living with another woman could never find his death using his birth name

No mention of 'Deceased' on 1913, Elizabeth Sivier, just Bricklayer.

Chris :)


(not seeing any past 'Threads' relating, looking on google, only below!)

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1346804

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1344040


(to search further, check 'My threads', left of page here, under 'Tools')

you are right chris,sorry,i just checked the certs ,and its on daughter ediths marriage cert. iv got go to work so il pick nup again later

catherine you are right about sister being named as georges next of kin and it states father is deceased on the roll of honour 1918.and as he is also down as deceased on the marriage cert 1913,he was alive 1909 when son came out of the home/school then they were all back in them 1911, 1909- 1913 seems the safe time limit .

So he was down as deceased in July 1913, Edith Marriage, but not in December 1913 for Elizabeths...(perhaps that info. wasn't given, or known!)

Chris :)