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Lynn

Lynn Report 3 Jan 2016 20:30

Thanks everyone this looks promising. Just need to tie it in.

Choccy

Choccy Report 2 Jan 2016 08:08

When using the birth date of 16th March 1902 to search the 1939 Register, Mary Ann Black of the Chester-le-Street address posted previously gives that birth date


Your search criteria

Mary First name(s)

Black Last name(s)

1902 Birth year

16 Birth day

03 Birth month

Mary Ann Black 1902 Chester-le-Street R.D. Durham



KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 1 Jan 2016 23:04

Could this be the death of the Mary Ann Black from the 1939 Register that Choccy found? :-

First name(s) MARY ANN
Last name BLACK
Gender Female
Birth day 16
Birth month 3
Birth year 1902
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1998
District SUNDERLAND
District number 0581B
Register number B57E
Entry number 200
Date of registration mm/yy 1098
County Durham
Country England

Kath. x

Lynn

Lynn Report 1 Jan 2016 17:14

These are dad adopted parents. They were elderly. Both had been married before and their spouses died. Ann had a son Charles and Francis a daughter florance. Francis had also lost about four children. I met them when i was a child, they were in their nineties.

Dad remembers visiting Duran before the war. I showed him pictures of don't crescent and he seemed to recognise it. He said the houses were bungalows.

The fugazzas became manning because fugazza is an Italian name and such names were not popular at that time. Manning was Ann's previous married name. Her maiden name Owen though that had also been changed her original name was pushcke ( her dad was from Prussia).

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 1 Jan 2016 15:24

That sounds like a good possibility Choccy, although I was looking at this record:-

Pickering Household
Hackney, London, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR
Mary A Pickering 1901

Although the birth year is one year out Hackney is where Lyn's father was born. She seems to be living alone. Buying this record would give her occupation (which on the birth certificate of Lyn's father was General Cook).

Kath. x

Choccy

Choccy Report 1 Jan 2016 14:09


Mary Ann Pickering in 1939??


1939 REGISTER

Elizabeth Bell 1859 Chester-le-Street R.D. Durham

Elizabeth Bell 1888 Chester-le-Street R.D. Durham

>>>>>>Mary Ann Black 1902 Chester-le-Street R.D. Durham

Annie Pickering 1875 Chester-le-Street R.D. Durham

Frederick Pickering 1898 Chester-le-Street R.D. Durham

Robert Pickering 1870 Chester-le-Street R.D. Durham


??

Marriages Mar 1947 (>99%)

Black William R Pickering Durham N. 1a 922

Pickering Mary A Black Durham N. 1a 922


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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 1 Jan 2016 13:11

Kath - I was looking for the Fugazza name. There were a slew of announcements in The Gazette at the beginning of WW2, mainly by women who wanted to formaly take a possible partner's name. It must have been causing problems knowing they needed to register and their 'little secret' being made public! ;-)

As it happens, the only 2 entries refer to a bankruptcy/winding-up and seizure of goods in 1974 & 1980

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 1 Jan 2016 13:06

Lynn, if you can access findmypast before midnight tonight 1st Jan 2016, you can pay to view the 1939 entry for half price for one household. Enter the code XMAS1939

Angela, another GR member, posted the info on the 1939 Register thread (last page)
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1355773

As no one is quite sure who the redacted person is, you won't be able to ask for it to be opened. Only those who born before Jan 1916, were deceased before 1991, or for whom you are able to provide a DC, will be opened. No exceptions

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 1 Jan 2016 12:58

Thanks DeTecTive. Didn't realise that Lyn already had this information.

Seems strange that the family decided to use Ann's first married name rather than her maiden name???

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 1 Jan 2016 12:53

This seems to be the Fugazza's in the 1911 c ensus:-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
55 Taplow ST, Shoreditch, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

Francis Fugazza Head Married Male Cabinet Maker 32 1879 Bethnal Green
Ann Fugazza Wife Married Female - 28 1883 Hoxton
Florence Fugazza Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Clerkenwell

Francis and Ann have been married one year so Florence may be Francis's daughter from a previous marriage/relationship. I can't see any births of children from this marriage so perhaps that is why they decided to adopt - although they would be in their late 50's at the time.

Does your father remember if his adoptive parents were elderly?

Kath. x

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 1 Jan 2016 12:53

The 1939 Register wasn't available when you posted on Ancestry

http://boards.ancestry.ie/localities.britisles.england.lnd.eolfhs/6705/mb.ashx
Manning / Fugazza / Owen / Balbiani families

As you've already researched those families, its only the Pickering side we need to focus on.

Lynn - All helpers tend to go off at a tangent - the above is to advise people that you've already covered that aspect.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 1 Jan 2016 12:39

If your father was adopted at around 3 years old this would be about 1937 so the other person on the 1939 record who is officially closed could possibly be your father.

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 1 Jan 2016 12:33

I think the person on the 1939 register with the surname given as Manning(Fugazza) is probably Francis Manning(Fugazza). The other person on the record is called Ann Fugazza. This looks like their marriage:-

First name(s) FRANCIS
Last name FUGAZZA
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1909
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ FRANCIS FUGAZZA married one of these people
MARIA SORENTI, DIONISIO ASSIRATI, >>>>>>>>>ANN MANNING<<<<<<<<<
District HOLBORN
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Page 1271

It seems they decided to use Ann's maiden name. It could have been something to do with the war and wanting to have a more Anglicized name.

Kath. x

Lynn

Lynn Report 1 Jan 2016 12:25

Sounds like a plan...my new year project....Thank you.

Will look up Don Crescent, dad may recognise it....never know.
:-)

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 1 Jan 2016 12:23

There is a record on the 1939 Register on Findmypast for someone called Manning/Fugazza:-

Manning (Fugazza) Household
Tottenham M.B., Middlesex, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR

~??? Manning (Fugazza) 1878
Ann Fugazza and 1 more person are on this record
1 more person who is officially closed

It might be worth seeing if there is a way to open the record.

Kath. x

Rambling

Rambling Report 1 Jan 2016 12:23

Lynn, just in case you didn't know , 122 lower Clapton road Hackney was a maternity home,

http://health.hackneysociety.org/page_id__130_path__0p10p41p32p38p.aspx

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 1 Jan 2016 11:48

Durham County Records Office staff are really helpful and would probably look up the electoral registers without charge. If you wanted copies they usually only charge for the photocopying and postage which isn't too much.

EDIT - Don Crescent still exists. It is a bungalow which you can see using Streetview.

Kath. x

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 1 Jan 2016 11:20

It might be worth contacting the nearest local studies centre or archive to the Durham address. They may hold the historic electoral rolls & can tell you the names of other electors registered there. They may charge a fee.

Lynn

Lynn Report 1 Jan 2016 11:13

Have been looking through some notes I made when I started researching the family tree.

Dad was born 122 lower Clapton road hackney, 7 May 1934.
His mum was Mary Ann pickering, occupation General cook. There is an address 4 Don crescent, Chester le street, greater lumley co Durham.

He seems to have been adopted by the fugazza/manning family when he was about three.

Father not named.

That's all.I have.

Any ideas...

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 1 Jan 2016 11:13

Do you know if he ever accessed his adoption file if it was done legally?

Whoever holds his Power of Attorney might be able to apply on his behalf while he is still living. Once he passes it away, it will be closed forever.
Although the file is unlikely to name his alleged father, it might give some clues to his mothers background.