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Thank you Catherine you just couldn't resist the challenge. When I have read it through in detail I may not need to start a separate thread !!

Definately have to go now, so good luck with the rest of your research. :-)

Then again, there is a possible birth that would go with the marriage:-

Name: Mary Hannah Pettinger
Registration Year: 1854
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: East Retford
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 10

..................born correct date and place (see 1891 census)

....and if it turns out to be her, then this would seem to be her in 1881:-

Name: Mary H. Pettinger
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: James Pettinger
Mother: Hannah Pettinger
Gender: Female
Where born: Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Aylsham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address: Millgate

Occupation: School Mistress

Registration district: Aylsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1930
Folio: 53
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
James Pettinger 48
Hannah Pettinger 50
Mary H. Pettinger 27
William Pettinger 16
Edward E.J. Pettinger 11
Gertrude A.A. Pettinger 8
Beatrice B. Pettinger 5


...............which brings us back to Aylsham. Coincidence?

Of course this is all pure speculation so you would absolutely have to buy the birth certificate of Grace Beatrice Adams to find out the names of her parents.

This is very likely to be the death of mother Mary:-

Name: Mary Hannah Adams
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Registration Year: 1904
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 47
Registration district: North Bierley
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 142

................if it is her then at least you know that her full name is Mary Hannah.


You can't take this as a marriage, but I thought it worth posting for the coincidence:-

Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
xxxx ADAMS Charles Bradford Y 9b 227
DUNSEATH Crawford Bradford Y 9b 227
LEGHORN Charlotte Bradford, Y 9b 227
xxxx Pettinger Mary Hannah Bradford Y. 9b 227

this could be her marriage:-

Name Grace B Adams
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1915
Registration District North Bierley
County Yorkshire
Event Place North Bierley, Yorkshire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Pettinger
Volume 9B
Page 165
Line Number 91

Grace B Adams probably married one of the following people
Name Cyril R Pettinger


In which case these could be possible children:-

Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Pettinger Duncan W Adams N. Bierley 9b 77

Births Sep 1924 (>99%)
Pettinger Aubrey C Adams N.Bierley 9b 79

this looks to be her in 1911 with two sisters:-

Name: Grice Batrice Adams
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Shipley
Search Photos: Search for 'Shipley' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 9 Friendly Place Windhill Shipley
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Worsterd Weaver
Registration district: North Bierley
Registration District Number: 497
Sub-registration district: Shipley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 26625
Household Members:
Name Age
Gertrude Mary Adams 27
Grice Batrice Adams 21
Lily Mary Adams 23

1901(with same sisters)
Name: Grace Adams
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Mother: Mary Adams
Birth Place: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Shipley
Search Photos: Search for 'Shipley' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Windhill Christchurch
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: North Bierley
Sub-registration district: Shipley
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4183
Folio: 178
Page Number: 12
Household schedule number: 92
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Adams 45
Gertrude Adams 17
Lilian Adams 13
Grace Adams 11


1891 (with same sisters)
Name: Grace Adams
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Adams
Gender: Female
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Idle
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Windhill
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 2 Halls Buildings
Occupation:
Registration district: Bradford
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3653
Folio: 172
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Adams 38 born: Retford, Nottinghamshire, (1853) occupation:- Seamstress Shirt)
Gerty Adams 9
Lilly Adams 3
Grace Adams 1


Sorry, don't have any more time to do any digging but it does look as though, here too you are going to have to buy a birth certificate to find out any more.
Although Mary states she is married, there is no sign of her husband on any of the census records, so would be difficult to know if Mary was ever married or not.
You could try and find a baptism record to see if a father is noted on there, or maybe one of the marriage certificates of one of the girls to see if a father is noted on them. Without either you will have trouble going backwards if that is what you wish to do.

Sorry Frances but I'm off to England for a week in the morning so not sure if I'll have time to look up Grace.

As it's a new name I would suggest starting a new thread so that more helpers can take a look and give you a hand.

Good luck with the scan, hope all goes well.

Merry Christmas :-)

Thank you Catherine, perhaps looking foe Martha's marriage in IGI might be more successful. If she and Benjamin got married when she was 21, in 1817, that would be good for Sophia being born 1819, I think it was.

When you are happy that you have extracted everything for this thread I can give you the new subject of

Births Mar 1890
Adams Grace Beatrice Bradford, Y.
9b 167

just to keep you occupied !!?? lol

Couldn't see anything for Benjamin but I do believe that this is his wife Martha:-

Name: Martha Hannant
Birth Date: 31 Oct 1796
Birth Place: Norfolk, England
Gender: Female
Event Type: Birth
Father: Wm Ward Hannant
Mother: Sarah Smith
Denomination: Baptist
Piece Title: Piece 0641: Buxton Chapel (Baptist), 1794-1837

siblings baptised on the same day:-
Robert Smith b.31st Aug 1794
Richard Hannant b. 06 Nov.1799
Eliza Ann b. 19th Mar 1802
William (Clark?) b. 21 Aug 1808
Sarah b. 7th Jun 1810
Sophia b. 23 May 1814
Mathilda b. 5 Oct 1817

Tomorrow is the 20 week scan for my new grandchild. If it is a boy I might be able to persuade our financial controller that we should splash out on that birth certificate for Emma Overton!

Well, would say that was him...that's where Birth and Marriage Certs. are needed...

One 'niggle' that needs ironing out, as you put is, is that Birth Cert. of below, to see Maiden name of Mother!.

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
OVERTON Emma Aylsham 4b 77

Chris :)

Hi Chris, I followed the link you gave me to St Mary's Itterinham and I did pick up

05/07/1829 Robert George ALEXANDER Benjamin ALEXANDER Tailor Martha

so do we now believe he is George of 1871 claiming to be born in 1834 - he does seem to get older again in later census!

If I take this on board most of my niggles get ironed out

Thank you Catherine also, I will now be more relaxed about these difference and end up with a fantastic tree even if I still can't find Benjamin Alexander being born c.1794. Is he the one who says he comes from London?

This is the post Chris refers to:-

05/07/1829 Robert George ALEXANDER Benjamin ALEXANDER Tailor Martha

I wouldn't worry too much about the ages not being the same from one census to another.
Don't forget that a lot of people were illiterate in those days so it wasn't unusal that they got their ages wrong and it's not impossible that the enumerators made mistakes and wrote things down wrongly.
People moving around the country looking for work, had different accents to those of the places they ended up at and so the enumerator may not have understood correctly what they were being told.
There are lots of reasons why this could happen so I wouldn't worry too much if I were you.
I have found in doing my own research that you do have to keep an open mind with this family tree business. :-)

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tinstaafl/Church_Pages/itteringham.htm

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(George probably the Robert George on above, links also posted earlier!)

Chris :)

What worries me the most is that George, in 1871 says that he was born in 1834 whereas some of the other posts have census for other members of the family where George is shown as early as 1829. How can it be the same person?

Sorry frances didn't notice your post straight away.

What is it that is confusing you?

The 1871 census shows Elizabeth (Esther) and John Overton's sons staying with their uncle.
From the 1841 census George Alexander does look to be the brother of Elizabeth as father is Benjamin and his occupation is Tailor, which fits with Elizabeth's marriage certificate.

The 1871 census also shows their tree eldest daughters are Sarah Blanche and Caroline, names and ages that fit with the above 1861 census. Even if the family are under the name of Saunders I am certain that this is the same family,

I am just wondering why the name Saunders keeps popping up?

If you have any doubts at all I would advise, as I said earlier, to buy the birth certificate of one of their children to make sure that the mothers maiden name is Alexander.

Just had a look at 1861 census to see if I could find any proof of who married who on 1856 marriage and it would seem that this is the other couple from the same record:-
1861
Household Members:
Name Age
Abed Barwick 32
Mary Ann Barwick 28
William Barwick 8
Elizabeth Barwick 3
Stephen Barwick 5/12

..........which seems to shows that George Alexander probably did marry Mary Barwick.

I remain confused as I think this 1871 census holds the key ?

" hang on a bit, this may throw some light on things.

Sons William and George are missing from 1871 census but they are with their uncle:-

Name: William Overton
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Itteringham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Yarrow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Jarrow
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 128
Piece: 5041
Folio: 89
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
George Allexander 37 born: Itteringham, Norfolk (1834)
Mary Allexander 34
Sarah C Allexander 14
Martha A Allexander 13
Caroline Allexander 12
Blanch Allexander 3
Alice J Allexander 4 Months

xxxxxx William Overton 19
xxxxxx George Overton 18

William Ayton 21

...................and his surname is Alexander!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Is there something in here which is incorrect?

1881

Name: George K. Alexander
[George Robert Alexander]
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary Alexander
Gender: Male
Where born: Itteringham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: (42) Newmarch St
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Gas Stoker (Wks)
Registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5024
Folio: 90
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
George K. Alexander 52
Mary Alexander 49
Blanch M. Alexander 12
Alice J. Alexander 10
George R. Alexander 6
John S. Stephenson 37 (Lodger)
Jane Stephenson 29
Isabella Stephenson


1891
Name: Mary Alexander
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Itteringham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow
Ecclesiastical parish: Jarrow Grange
Town: Jarrow
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4167
Folio: 139
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Alexander 57
Alice Alexander 20
George Alexander 16
Patrice H Devlin 22
Lena Devlin 1
Hannah Coe 10
Martin Fletley 47

Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
ALEXANDER Blanche Mary S. Shields 10a 691
Alexander Blanche Mary South Shields 10a 697
(not sure why this is noted twice)

Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
Alexander Alice Jane S.Shields 10a 683