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Thank you greyghost. I will update my records with that information.

All the best

Jane

The address on the 1841 posted above is Woodhouse Wraghorn. From google, it appears that Wraghorn is close to Woodhouse which is just north of Leeds City Centre these days. A small hamlet or area then by Leeds.

I have just come back from the library having done a bit more research into this problem.

This is what I have found.
1841 not sure were Jonathan and Elizabeth were living I could not read the name. I could not find Joseph with a Leah.

Joseph and Leah married on the 29th July 1833 in Leeds. The marriage cert did say that she was a widow but not sure if this referred to both of them or just her. (This was online) Her name was Rushforth but I could not read her fathers surname.

On the 1841 there was also a Joseph Rushworth ( aged 50) born about the right time living with a George aged 30. Also Joseph is a cloth dresser. The only problem is there is no Leah.

This one in 1841 living in Woodhouse Wraghorn

Name: Joseph Rushworth
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds Town
Hundred: Leeds Borough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Leeds West
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Rushworth 50 Occ: Cloth Dresser
Geos Rushworth 30

On 1851 Jospeh and Leah Rushworth were living at 356 West End Place. He was a Cloth dresser and she was ? shroud maker. Jonathan and Elizabeth were living in Lion Street North Leeds.

On the 1861 Jonathan and Elizabeth Rushforth/rushworth were living at 132 West End Place, Leeds
next door to them were a Joseph Rushforth and a Leah Rushforth. Joseph was a Cloth dresser and aged 72. Leah Rushforth was aged ? 82yrs. Is this my missing Jospeh?? He would be about the right age.

Leah died 1862 in leeds
Joseph died 1864 in Leeds.


If the information I had been given on a previous occasion is correct then Joseph Rushworth married an Ann Holmes in 1813 and she died in ?1839 which would make the marriage to Leah wrong.

Can anyone please help me with any other information about Leah, Ann or Joseph death which might help me which marriage is correct.

Leah was married before but I cant find a marriage for her. Please could someone help me with this? Or perhaps help me work out what her maiden name was?.

Thank you for your help

Jane

Thanks Gins, Dea and Chris for all the help you have given me. The last pieces of information you have given me all look very interesting. Hopefully some day I will manage to get back further.

All the best

jane

Based on the baptism that Chris has found (above)



Name:Jonathan Rushworth

Age:17

Estimated birth year:abt 1824

Gender:Male

Where born:Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish:Tankersley

Hundred:Staincross

County/Island:Yorkshire

Registration district:Leeds

Sub-registration district:Wortley

Piece:1350
Book:1
Folio:43
Page Number:33

Household Members:


William Rushworth 45 <<Cloth weaver
Ann Rushworth 40
Hannah Rushworth 19
Jonathan Rushworth 17
Sarah Rushworth 15

Watch out.........curve ball!

On Jonathans marriage record (posted on page 1) I am wondering if the vicar mixed up the names of the fathers. That would tie in with the baptism that Chris has posted above?

STRIKE that......found Eliza* on the 41 census with her father 'William'

Jane.

Just because a marriage record does not say 'deceased' for the father, it doesn't mean he isn't dead. Same for the other way around too!

I am trying to find out who Jonathans family were. Chris I believe has him on the 1841 census, with a Martha and Joseph. As I seem to have drawn a blank with Jonathan I thought I would try going down Josephs line to se if that would throw up any clues.

I do know Jonathan was not born in Gildersome as one census suggests as I have the parish records for Gildersome and he is not there.

When I looked into this before someone had found something to suggest they were all brothers and sisters and that their parents were Joseph Rushworth and Ann Holmes. they married 6/7/1813 in St Michael and All angels Church Haworth Haworth is in Leeds Bradford.

There is a death for an Ann Rushworth in 1839 which would be why I cant find Jonathan with Mum on any Census. Joseph is a live in 1850 when Jonathan married.

Jane

Now we are getting somewhere !

You have no proof that Joseph is the brother of Jonathan, in fact, increasingly looks as though he isn't, SO forget him for now - there are lots of Rushworths around that area so although they may be distantly related, I do not believe they are brothers!

We will now look only at Jonathan !

I have to go out for a while but will come back to this when I return.

Dea Xxx

Jonathan is my direct line on my Dads side.

Charles Gray is my grandad He married Elizabeth Rushworth on 18/04/1927 Leeds (Marriage cert )

Elizabeth Rushworth Dad was William Rushworth b c1863 her Mum was Sarah Ann South. (Elizabeths Birth cert) She was living at 7 Stanhope Terrace. At time of Marriage William and Sarah were living at Roscoe Terrace Sheepscar Leeds. (Marriage Cert) Marriage Oct 1890.

The marriage cert for William And Sarah gives Williams father as Jonathan Rushworth a Cloth dresser.

JOnathan Rushworth Marriage in 1850 to Elizabeth Faubert They were living in Mabgate Leeds. Jonathan was a Cloth dresser and aged 24 and his father ws Joseph Rushworth a Cloth dresser
Elizabeth was 20 living in Mabgate and her father was William Faubert a labourer. (Marriage cert)

That is all the actual proof I have.

I do not have Jonathan and his mum or dad on any census. I can not get a birth cert for Jonathan because of his date of birth.

Thanks for helping me

Jane.

You really need to tell us who you have worked your way back to - Jonathan or Joseph ?

Dea x

Thanks Dea

This Rusworth family are causing me quite a few problems.
I have Jonathan b 1826 on the 1861 living in 3 West Leed
There is also a Jospeh born 1819 in that area
There is also a Joseph ? dad living in that area. So are these brother and dad??

IN Kirkstall
I have a Joseph b1819 and a Joseph (born about the right time for dad) and this Thornhill family living in that area. So are these my family.?

Thanks for your help

Jane

Right then, - I think we are getting into an awful muddle here so let's get a few things straight. ;-)

I presume that you have some proof that you have worked back correctly from yourself to the Rushworths ?

Which one of the two (Joseph or Jonathan) are you 'directly' connected to and how have you worked back to them?

As you have no proof that Joseph and Jonathan are brothers, I should discount that for now and concentrate only on your 'direct' ancestor. Once you get that straight you can always come back to the other and see if they connect.

Dea x

I am not sure how it helps you but this is William on 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Fountain Grove, Headingley, Hunslet, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Thornhill Head Married Male 42 1819 Engine Tenter Tanhouse Leeds, Yorkshire, England
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Mary Thornhill Wife - Female 35 1826 - Spofforth, Yorkshire, England
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John Ed Thornhill Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 Tanner Leeds, Yorkshire, England
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Elizabeth A Thornhill Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 Woollen Weaver Woodhouse, Yorkshire, England
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William A Thornhill Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar Woodhouse, Yorkshire, England
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Joseph Thornhill Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar Spofforth, Yorkshire, England
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John Wood Wifes Son - Male 13 1848 Sizer Spofforth, Yorkshire, England
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Samuel Wood Wifes Son - Male 12 1849 Sizer Yorkshire, England
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Margaret Naylor Lodger Unmarried Female 16 1845 Woollen Piecer Kirkstall, Yorkshire, England



John married Mary Wood in 1853:

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
THORNHILL John WOOD Mary St Stephen, Kirkstall Leeds CE26/356

He had been married previously to:

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
THORNHILL John FAWBERT Jane St Peter, Leeds Leeds CE46/33/225

Dea x

Hi Chris

I think that the family you found on the 1841 is my family. I*'m not sure if that Joseph who married Eliza Anderson is my family. I think I am going to have to sit down and study all this information before I get myself totally confused.

Thanks

Jane

Thanks Chris. I'm not sure if the family you found are linked in anyway but then I'm not sure of anything at the moment.

Please can someone fill in the details on this person. The reason I ask is that Jonathan Rushworth is down as Rushforth on 1861 and on one of the census his place of Birth was Gildersome Yorkshire. Joseph's ?brother was born in 1819 so could this be him.

Was Jonathans name actually Rushforth not rushworth???

Joseph Rushforth

England and Wales Census, 1861

Name Joseph Rushforth
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Sub-District 2 Kirkstall
Parish Headingley Leeds
Ecclesiastical Parish Horsforth Woodside
Registration District Hunslet
Age 42
Gender Male
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birthplace Gildersome, Yorkshire
Schedule Type Household

Thanks for helping me

Jane

Baptism
County Yorkshire, West Riding
Place Wortley (Leeds)
Church name St John the Evangelist
Register type PR
Register entry number 351
Baptism date 19 Jul 1818
Birth date 13 Apr 1818
Person forename Joseph
Person sex M
Person abode Low Wortley
Father forename William
Father surname RUSHWORTH
Father occupation Clothier
Mother forename Ann


Baptism
Place Wortley (Leeds)
Church name St John the Evangelist
Register type PR
Register entry number 792
Baptism date 07 Sep 1823
Birth date 17 Aug 1823
Person forename Jonathan
Person sex M
Person abode Low Wortley
Father forename William
Father surname RUSHWORTH
Father occupation Clothier
Mother forename Ann

(no idea if above relate, or area correct!, but from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)


edits (not sure who are below?)

1841 (Find My Past)
Joseph Rushworth Male 20 1821 (Cloth Dresser) Yorkshire, England
Martha Rushworth Female 25 1816 Yorkshire, England
Jonathan Rushworth Male 15 1826 (Cloth Dresser) Yorkshire, England
Street York Street
Parish or township Leeds
Town Leeds
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Registration district Leeds
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1346
Book number 12
Folio number 11
Page number 14
York Street, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),


(seems to be a few past 'Threads' relating, on google)


Edits (for Boynton Street reference)

1871
Joseph Rushworth Head - Male 52 1819 - Yorkshire, England (Cloth Dresser)
Eliza Rushworth Wife - Female 53 1818 - Yorkshire, England
Martha Rushworth Daughter - Female 29 1842 - Yorkshire, England
Eliza Rushworth Daughter - Female 20 1851 - Yorkshire, England
50 Boynton Street, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),

John Thornhill married Jane Fawbert. Elizabeth Rushworths sister. in 1850. So that hasn't helped me.

let me try something else. Please could someone see if they can find William Arthur Thornhill on the 1861 census. He was on the 1851 census staying with Jonathan Rushworth. Hopefully I will be able to find out who his parents were. He was born 1849 in Leeds. Also how was he related to Jonathan?

Thanks for your help

Jane

Thanks Dea and Gins. Its beginning to look like I have the top of my tree wrong. Perhaps Jonathan and Joseph were not brothers. That would explain the age gap. Jonathan's dad was Joseph a cloth dresser. I have got that from his marriage cert. As for Jonathan and Joseph b 1819 being brothers well I can't prove that. Perhaps I will have to have a rethink on all this.

Thanks for your help

Jane.

Thanks Ginns - I was looking for that on-line :-S Where did you find it ?

Well, it doesn't seem to be the one then as the father is wrong :-( but strange though as they live in the same place as on later census's and Martha Anderson is a brush maker also ???

They must at the very least be related but I wonder if Jonathan has been proved to be Joseph's brother or maybe he is a cousin ??? They would then have different fathers?

Dea x