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Samuel G Irvine aged 3 died aged 7 before my Father was born.

I*'d seen that 1911 census thank you
In all probability Francis and or Rosanna
helped Sarah McLarnon bring my Father into the world :-D

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Osborne_St/142357/

These are your grandparents Samuel and Sarah at 1911
They are living in the same street as Samuel's parents

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Osborne_Street/938467/
Above is the 1901 census in Duncairn.

Place of birth is given as Ballyclare, Co Antrim

My Irvine's have the Doag and Ballylinny connection. How they arrived in

Osborne Street Duncairn North Belfast I do not know.

You see my problem. I f some one as able as yourself sees a bit of difficulty

on the evidence available, you can imagine my confusion because I'm admittedly.
not the quickest

I was off these threads for 21/2 years but some time before that I'm sure someone informed me Francis senior was a fisherman from Dunbarton.

Not knowing where she got this I accepted it :-(

David,
The family in Dunbartonshire from 1891 to 1901 seem to be that of:
Francis Irvine and Rose Ann Mullen.
Most children were born in Belfast but they do not appear to have had a son named Samuel.

Francis Irvine and Rose Ann Galloway are on both the 1901 and 1911 census in Antrim.
Most children were born in Ballylinney, Ballynure and Doagh.
These are Samuels parents

2 different families both had daughters named Rose Ann born in Antrim.

Im not sure if you think these two men are father and son?
The two men named Francis seem to be of a similar age therefore they are probably not a father living in Dunbartonshire with his son living in Antrim

David, the births of the children of Francis & Rose Ann Mullen are on familysearch. I have posted one (Rose Ann) above.

Did the Helensborough link come from finding this couple in the Scottish 1901? If you are descended from the Francis who married Rose Ann Galloway, then this is not your direct family but could be connected.

I'm seeing the younger of the daughters born in Scotland, her elder sisters

born in Ireland

Their Father born in Ireland and also the Mother

The birth of the Rose Ann in the 1881:

Name: Rose Ann
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place: 258, BELFAST NO 3, ANT, IRE
Birth Date: 12 Sep 1868
Birthplace: Belfast No 3, Ant, Ire
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Francis Irvine
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Rose Ann Mullan
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70136-7
System Origin: Ireland-VR
GS Film number: 101175
Reference ID: 2:HK3PZV

Well found, safc.

It looks as if there were two Francises married to Roseannes. This is David's in Ireland in 1901:

Residents of a house 7 in Osborne Street (Duncairn Ward, Antrim)


Irvine Rosanna 20 Female Daughter Methodist
Irvine Francis 65 Male Head of Family Methodist
Irvine Rosanna 55 Female Wife Methodist

David, where did you get the information on Helensburgh from? There is a Helen's Bay in Co Down, would that be a better fi?.

Looking at the 1841 Scotland census, there are only 11 Irvin(e)(g)s living in Dunbartonshire and only two were born there. 6 were born in Ireland. The name doesn't seem to be common in that area of Scotland - 1841 has over 4000 Irvin, Irvine or Irvings!

Scotlandspeople has 4 births for the name between 1800 and 1820 and there are 4 on familysearch - all in Cumbernauld, No Francis.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Maitland Street, Helensburgh, Row, Dunbartonshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Francis Irvine Head Married Male 60 1841 Fisherman Ireland
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Rose Ann Irvine Wife Married Female 66 1835 - Ireland
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Thomas Mooney Boarder Widower Male 48 1853 Shoemaker Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sinclair Street, Row, Dunbartonshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frences Irvine Head Married Male 49 1842 General Labourer Ireland
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Ross A M Irvine Wife Married Female 54 1837 General Labourer Wife Ireland
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Hannah Irvine Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1875 Domestic Servant Dumbarton, Dunbartonshire, Scotland
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Mary Storrie Adopted - Female 14 1877 Domestic Servant Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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James Storrie Adopted - Male 13 1878 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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Sarah Irvine Sister Widow Female 65 1826 General Servant Ireland
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Edward Millar Boarder Married Male 54 1837 General Labourer England
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John Brown Boarder Unmarried Male 40 1851 General Labourer England
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John Sweeny Boarder Married Male 50 1841 General Labourer Ireland
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Robert Giles Boarder Unmarried Male 27 1864 General Labourer England
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Cornelius McFaydean Boarder Unmarried Male 20 1871 Gardener Domestic Serv Ireland

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Alma Place, 6, Row, Dunbartonshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Francis Irvin Head Married Male 40 1841 General Laboure Ireland
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Roseun Irvin Wife Married Female 45 1836 - Ireland
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Rose Irvin Daughter - Female 13 1868 Scholar Ireland
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Sara Irvin Daughter - Female 11 1870 Scholar Ireland
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Hanna Irvin Daughter - Female 7 1874 Scholar Alexandria, Dunbartonshire, Scotland
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Mary Munday Daughter Married Female 20 1861 Farm Worker Ireland
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Patrieck Munday Son-In-Law Married Male 23 1858 General Labourer Helensburgh, Dunbartonshire, Scotland
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John Munday Grandson - Male 0 1881 - Helensburgh, Dunbartonshire, Scotland
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Sara McGuhain Visitor Widow Female 55 1826 - Ireland

Unless I'm very much mistaken it is the

senior Francis who allegedly came from Helensburgh

I have a marriage

Francis Irvine and Rosanna Galloway 1864

His Father was Francis and her Father was Samuel

David...Everything so far is looking as if you are correct..I have located the Marriage and the children of Francis and Roseanna.

The 1911 Census states they had 10 children and only 3 living at that time...
1901 shows only daughter Roseanna at home with her parents....

I have the marriage of Francis to Rose Anna Galloway from a previous thread.

If my memory is functioning correctly I had a download of the marriage certificate

and his Father was Francis and hers was Samuel.

I will have a look and see where I got that from

Thank you sincerely for your help so far <3

Okay David...That will correspond with the info.posted by GlasgowLass 1911 Census Antrim.....
Francis states he was born Antrim so initially we need to go back to his birth or marriage details to find out if his father was Francis (Helensburgh).....Do you have either..?