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thankyou everyone for your help .. A relation has confirmed Walters wife is indeed Hannah Perridge so you were on the right track and thanks Pricklyholly for all the info you have shared :-) :-)

Walter's marriage.......

Walter Grosvenor in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Walter Grosvenor (Bachelor) French Polisher
Estimated birth year:abt 1872
Age:21
Spouse:Hannah Elizabeth Perridge (Spinster) Boot Machinist
Spouse Age:20
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:24 Jul 1893
Parish:St Thomas, Bethnal Green
Borough:Tower Hamlets
Father Name:Edward Marton Grosvenor (French Polisher)
Spouse Father:Thomas Perridge (Labourer)
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: James Arthur Carter and Mary Ann Carter


Walter Grosvenor in the 1891 England Census
Name:Walter Grosvenor
Age:19
Estimated birth year:abt 1872
Relation:Son
Father's name:Edwin M Grosvenor
Mother's name:Jane E Grosvenor
Gender:Male
Where born:Mile End Old Town, London, England
Civil Parish:Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish:Stepney St Anthony
County/Island:London
Country:England
Registration district:Mile End Old Town
Sub registration district:Mile End Old Town, Eastern

Household Members:

Edwin M Grosvenor 63 (French Polisher) Shoreditch London
Jane E Grosvenor 53 St Giles London
Walter Grosvenor 19
Amelia Grosvenor 14
Florence Grosvenor 12


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name Edward Martin Grosvenor (Widower) French Polisher)
Estimated Birth Year1829
Age27
Spouse: Jane Ellen Perry (Spinster)
Spouse Age 18
Record Type Marriage
Event Date 24 Aug 1856
Parish Christ Church, Southwark
Borough Southwark
Father Name: James Grosvenor (French Polisher)
Spouse Father: Joseph Perry (Labourer)
Witnesses: Joseph and Jane Perry
Register Type Parish Register

Edwards first marriage...

Edward Martin Grosvenor in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Edward Martin Grosvenor (Bachelor)
Spouse: Harriet Ann Seger
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:18 May 1851
Parish:St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough:City of London
Father Name:James Grosvenor (Cabinet Maker)
Spouse Father:Samuel Seger (Carpenter)
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: William John Grosvenor and Margaret ???

This would indicate that Harriet died between 1851 and 1856

The only possible death related record I can find is this burial....

(Grosvenor mistranscribed as Grovonor??)

Harriet Anne Grovonor in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name:Harriet Anne Grovonor
Gender:Female
Burial Date:31 Aug 1852
Burial Place:Little Bentley, Essex, England
FHL Film Number:1702146
Reference ID:n 358

Which might fit in with this 1851 census where I find a Harriet "Siger" in Little Bentley, Essex.....
Harriet Siger in the 1851 England Census
Name:Harriet Siger
Age:23
Estimated birth year:abt 1828
Relation:Daughter
Father's name:Samuel Siger
Mother's name:Elizabeth Siger
Gender:Female
Where born:Lt Bentley, Essex, England
Civil Parish:Little Bentley
Registration district:Tendring
Sub-registration district:Harwich

Household Members:

Samuel Siger 49 (Carpenter)
Elizabeth Siger 53
Harriet Siger 23

Samuel Seger in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name:Samuel Seger
Occupation:Carpenter
Publication Title:1851 Post Office Directory
County:Essex Country:England
Publication Year:1851

There appears to be several variations of the surname "Seger"

Just in case you don't have this:

London, England, Electoral Registers
Name: Herbert Rumsey (name on image is Herbert E)
Year: 1965
County or Borough: Walthamstow
Ward or Division/Constituency: West Division
Street address: 9 Hove Avenue
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/3074

At the same address is Clara E and Michael F.

Hello Vanessa, I'm afraid middle names don't always make sense! My own middle name has nothing at all to do with any family member - it relates to a singer both of my parents liked. Similarly, my father's middle name was that of a family friend.

It seems highly likely that the family with parents William Walter Grosvenor and Hannah Elizabeth Perridge is correct but in order to work back with absolute confidence and accuracy then it's going to be necessary to buy some certificates along the way.

Chris has already posted this marriage:

Marriages Sep 1929
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Grosvenor Clara E Rumsey W.Ham 4a 605
Rumsey Herbert E Grosvenor W.Ham. 4A 60

If you order a copy of the certificate from GRO (costs £9.25) it should tell you Clara's father's name and his occupation (but do bear in mind that it mightn't show his middle name - it depends on the information given to the registrar).

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Hi everyone,
Wow the information you have retrieved is amazing!.. I am currently in the process of gathering more info on Walter and wife/partner but the reason I think Walters middle name is Frederick is that his grandson my dad had the same middle name of Fredrick and it is a high possibility that Nellie and Millie are indeed nicknames. My dad never mentioned any boys just 6 girls of which clara ellen was his mother she had one child with Herbert Ernest Rumsey (my dad) michael fredrick rumsey.
I am hoping to receive some more info soon . :-) :-) :-) :-)

thanks for all your time and effort x
regards
vanessa

A tree on ancestry has this? There are 6 daughters but it's Walter Willam not Frederick.




Walter William Grosvenor
Birth 19 Jul 1872 in Mile End Old Town, London, England
Death Dec 1950 in Essex South Western, Essex, England

SPOSE AND CHILDREN


Hannah Elizabeth Perridge
1874 – 1957

Frederick Edward M Grosvenor
1896 – 1945

Hannah Florence Grosvenor
1898 – 1973

Florence Jane Grosvenor
1900 – 1945

Amelia Martha Grosvenor
1902 – 1992

Clara Ellen Grosvenor
1907 – 1967

Mary A E Grosvenor
1912 – 2000

Gladys Lilian Grosvenor
1918 – 1997


Are you related to Walter? Through which child are you related? Why do you think they are from the Portsmouth area please? Do you know if any of Walter's children married?

Sorry for all the questions but any extra information may help us find the family definitely.

There is this one ???


Walter F Grosvenor
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Record Image View

Name: Walter F Grosvenor
Birth Date: abt 1870
Age: 26
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 10 Jun 1896
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Campania
Search Ship Database: Search for the Campania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Official Number: 102086

Occupation just states 'Medicine'

Can't see anything else for him though.

Dea x

When I researched on here yesterday, I also came up with Walter William Grosvenor who married Hannah Elizabeth Perridge.

I wondered if Millie and Nancy were nicknames.....

Amelia aka Millie??

How certain are you Angelicness that Walter's middle name is "Frederick"?

Do you have any documentation?

There are no birth's, death's or marriage's registered for a Walter F Grosvenor in England or Wales.

How are you connected to this family?

Prickles.;o))

(so below relates to Vanessa)

Chris :)


Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
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Grosvenor Clara E Rumsey W.Ham 4a 605
Rumsey Herbert E Grosvenor W.Ham. 4A 60


Death
First name(s) CLARA E
Last name RUMSEY
Birth year 1908
Age 59
Death quarter 1
Death year 1967
District WALTHAM FOREST
County Essex
Volume 5E
Page 471


(Portsmouth below, but not looking likely!)

Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
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GROVER Clara Grace Portsmouth 2b 501

That Dudley marriage doesn't look likely:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
30 Dudley Road, Tipton, Staffordshire, England

Walter Grosvenor Head Married Male Pattern Maker 57 1854 Tipton Staff
Emily Grosvenor Wife Married Female - 51 1860 Tipton Staff
Alice Grosvenor Sister Single Female Dress Maker 59 1852 Tipton Staff

Married 9 years

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
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Bate Emily Dudley 6c 150
Grosvenor Walter Dudley 6c 150
Richards Lucy Dudley 6c 150
While James Dudley 6c 150


Looks like you was looking at above, you need to check Births on below, then you will get Maiden Name of Mother!...


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Chris :)


West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1903

GROSVENOR Walter BATE Emily Tipton, St Paul Sandwell Register Office 40/4/93

http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/index.php

oh dear- perhaps not correct then, especially as this is the marriage that she refers to in DUDLEY!!?

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
Bate Emily Dudley 6c 150
Grosvenor Walter Dudley 6c 150
Richards Lucy Dudley 6c 150
While James Dudley 6c 150

Yes! More coffee needed :-D

(eh?, but Vanessa says no boys, and possibly Portsmouth!, think more coffee needed here at present!, lol)

Chris :)

Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)
Buss Ellen Bethnal Green 1c 392
Grosvenor Walter Bethnal Green 1c 392 <<<<<<
Perridge Hannah Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 392 <<<<
Tester James Alexander Bethnal Green 1c 392
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Nursery Cottages Woolmer Road Upper Edmonton, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

Walter William Grosvenor Head Married Coal Porter Loader 39 1872 Middlesex Old Town
Hannah Grosvenor Wife Married Female - 37 1874 Middlesex Hackney
Frederick Grosvenor Son Single Male Vanguard 15 1896 Middlesex Homerton
Hannah Grosvenor Daughter - Female School 12 1899 Middlesex Hackney
Florrie Grosvenor Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Middlesex Hackney
Amelia Grosvenor Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Middlesex Hackney
Clara Grosvenor Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Middlesex Hackney
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Also these children born after 1911:

Mary:
Births Mar 1912
Grosvenor Mary A E Perridge Edmonton 3a 1166

Nellie:
Births Sep 1914
Grosvenor Ellen L Perridge W. Ham 4a 940

Gladys:
Births Dec 1918
Grosvenor Gladys L Perridge W.Ham 4a 554

Births Jun 1907 (>99%)
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GROSVENOR Clara Ellen Hackney 1b 519


Would that be above then?, have you checked Births on below link...

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Chris :)

edits (probably not her above, on 1911, Edmonton, with Walter William and Hannah, plus a Son!)

when i was looking through records I came across 2 female names
Lucy Richards
Emily Bate
but have no idea if they are correct.

oh and forgot to add country of birth is England maybe portsmouth area .
and its Walter Fredrick Grosvenor

thankyou

Hi everyone ,
I have just logged in to see all your wonderful help.
Walters daughters names are .
Clara Ellen c1907
Mary c1910
Nancy c1912
Nellie c1914
Gladys c1916
Millie c1918
I have no info on their mother or Walter only guessing his birth would be around 1890s.

thanks so much for everyones help in locating more info . :-) :-)

The closest birth to 1890 for a Walter Grosvenor is this one:

Births Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Grosvenor Walter Middlesbro' 9d 593

And this would be his marriage:

Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)
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Grosvenor Walter Ware Middlesbro' 9d 1396
Ware Sylvia M Grosvenor Middlesbro 9d 1396

But I don't see the birth of 6 daughters.

We really need feedback with more info.

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Grosvenor Minnie A E Baylis Kings N. 6d 131