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(so below relates to Vanessa)
Chris :)
Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
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Grosvenor Clara E Rumsey W.Ham 4a 605
Rumsey Herbert E Grosvenor W.Ham. 4A 60
Death
First name(s) CLARA E
Last name RUMSEY
Birth year 1908
Age 59
Death quarter 1
Death year 1967
District WALTHAM FOREST
County Essex
Volume 5E
Page 471
(Portsmouth below, but not looking likely!)
Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
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GROVER Clara Grace Portsmouth 2b 501
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When I researched on here yesterday, I also came up with Walter William Grosvenor who married Hannah Elizabeth Perridge.
I wondered if Millie and Nancy were nicknames.....
Amelia aka Millie??
How certain are you Angelicness that Walter's middle name is "Frederick"?
Do you have any documentation?
There are no birth's, death's or marriage's registered for a Walter F Grosvenor in England or Wales.
How are you connected to this family?
Prickles.;o))
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There is this one ???
Walter F Grosvenor
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Record Image View
Name: Walter F Grosvenor
Birth Date: abt 1870
Age: 26
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 10 Jun 1896
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Campania
Search Ship Database: Search for the Campania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Official Number: 102086
Occupation just states 'Medicine'
Can't see anything else for him though.
Dea x
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A tree on ancestry has this? There are 6 daughters but it's Walter Willam not Frederick.
Walter William Grosvenor
Birth 19 Jul 1872 in Mile End Old Town, London, England
Death Dec 1950 in Essex South Western, Essex, England
SPOSE AND CHILDREN
Hannah Elizabeth Perridge
1874 – 1957
Frederick Edward M Grosvenor
1896 – 1945
Hannah Florence Grosvenor
1898 – 1973
Florence Jane Grosvenor
1900 – 1945
Amelia Martha Grosvenor
1902 – 1992
Clara Ellen Grosvenor
1907 – 1967
Mary A E Grosvenor
1912 – 2000
Gladys Lilian Grosvenor
1918 – 1997
Are you related to Walter? Through which child are you related? Why do you think they are from the Portsmouth area please? Do you know if any of Walter's children married?
Sorry for all the questions but any extra information may help us find the family definitely.
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Hi everyone,
Wow the information you have retrieved is amazing!.. I am currently in the process of gathering more info on Walter and wife/partner but the reason I think Walters middle name is Frederick is that his grandson my dad had the same middle name of Fredrick and it is a high possibility that Nellie and Millie are indeed nicknames. My dad never mentioned any boys just 6 girls of which clara ellen was his mother she had one child with Herbert Ernest Rumsey (my dad) michael fredrick rumsey.
I am hoping to receive some more info soon . :-) :-) :-) :-)
thanks for all your time and effort x
regards
vanessa
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Hello Vanessa, I'm afraid middle names don't always make sense! My own middle name has nothing at all to do with any family member - it relates to a singer both of my parents liked. Similarly, my father's middle name was that of a family friend.
It seems highly likely that the family with parents William Walter Grosvenor and Hannah Elizabeth Perridge is correct but in order to work back with absolute confidence and accuracy then it's going to be necessary to buy some certificates along the way.
Chris has already posted this marriage:
Marriages Sep 1929
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Grosvenor Clara E Rumsey W.Ham 4a 605
Rumsey Herbert E Grosvenor W.Ham. 4A 60
If you order a copy of the certificate from GRO (costs £9.25) it should tell you Clara's father's name and his occupation (but do bear in mind that it mightn't show his middle name - it depends on the information given to the registrar).
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
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Just in case you don't have this:
London, England, Electoral Registers
Name: Herbert Rumsey (name on image is Herbert E)
Year: 1965
County or Borough: Walthamstow
Ward or Division/Constituency: West Division
Street address: 9 Hove Avenue
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/3074
At the same address is Clara E and Michael F.
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Walter's marriage.......
Walter Grosvenor in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Walter Grosvenor (Bachelor) French Polisher
Estimated birth year:abt 1872
Age:21
Spouse:Hannah Elizabeth Perridge (Spinster) Boot Machinist
Spouse Age:20
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:24 Jul 1893
Parish:St Thomas, Bethnal Green
Borough:Tower Hamlets
Father Name:Edward Marton Grosvenor (French Polisher)
Spouse Father:Thomas Perridge (Labourer)
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: James Arthur Carter and Mary Ann Carter
Walter Grosvenor in the 1891 England Census
Name:Walter Grosvenor
Age:19
Estimated birth year:abt 1872
Relation:Son
Father's name:Edwin M Grosvenor
Mother's name:Jane E Grosvenor
Gender:Male
Where born:Mile End Old Town, London, England
Civil Parish:Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish:Stepney St Anthony
County/Island:London
Country:England
Registration district:Mile End Old Town
Sub registration district:Mile End Old Town, Eastern
Household Members:
Edwin M Grosvenor 63 (French Polisher) Shoreditch London
Jane E Grosvenor 53 St Giles London
Walter Grosvenor 19
Amelia Grosvenor 14
Florence Grosvenor 12
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name Edward Martin Grosvenor (Widower) French Polisher)
Estimated Birth Year1829
Age27
Spouse: Jane Ellen Perry (Spinster)
Spouse Age 18
Record Type Marriage
Event Date 24 Aug 1856
Parish Christ Church, Southwark
Borough Southwark
Father Name: James Grosvenor (French Polisher)
Spouse Father: Joseph Perry (Labourer)
Witnesses: Joseph and Jane Perry
Register Type Parish Register
Edwards first marriage...
Edward Martin Grosvenor in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Edward Martin Grosvenor (Bachelor)
Spouse: Harriet Ann Seger
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:18 May 1851
Parish:St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough:City of London
Father Name:James Grosvenor (Cabinet Maker)
Spouse Father:Samuel Seger (Carpenter)
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: William John Grosvenor and Margaret ???
This would indicate that Harriet died between 1851 and 1856
The only possible death related record I can find is this burial....
(Grosvenor mistranscribed as Grovonor??)
Harriet Anne Grovonor in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name:Harriet Anne Grovonor
Gender:Female
Burial Date:31 Aug 1852
Burial Place:Little Bentley, Essex, England
FHL Film Number:1702146
Reference ID:n 358
Which might fit in with this 1851 census where I find a Harriet "Siger" in Little Bentley, Essex.....
Harriet Siger in the 1851 England Census
Name:Harriet Siger
Age:23
Estimated birth year:abt 1828
Relation:Daughter
Father's name:Samuel Siger
Mother's name:Elizabeth Siger
Gender:Female
Where born:Lt Bentley, Essex, England
Civil Parish:Little Bentley
Registration district:Tendring
Sub-registration district:Harwich
Household Members:
Samuel Siger 49 (Carpenter)
Elizabeth Siger 53
Harriet Siger 23
Samuel Seger in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name:Samuel Seger
Occupation:Carpenter
Publication Title:1851 Post Office Directory
County:Essex Country:England
Publication Year:1851
There appears to be several variations of the surname "Seger"
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thankyou everyone for your help .. A relation has confirmed Walters wife is indeed Hannah Perridge so you were on the right track and thanks Pricklyholly for all the info you have shared :-) :-)
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