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Thank you so much.

I reckon this is the marriage...it's Mary Price in the image

First name(s) JAMES
Last name FRANCIS
Birth year -
Marriage year 1833
Marriage day 19
Marriage month Feb
Place LAMPETER
Spouse's first name(s) MARY
Spouse's last name DAVIES
Bride's parish Lampeter
Groom's parish Llandygwydd
Parish Lampeter
Country Wales
County Cardiganshire
Record set Cardigan Marriage
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

I'll pm the image

Jude

Births Sep 1838 (>99%)
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FRANCIS Alfred Ollivant Newport 26 87

(above would give Maiden Name of Mother)

Chris :)

(just as Ollivant (with link posted earlier) think you will find that Lewis, Powell, Cordes, were all known to Rev. James)

(James Jamieson Cordes was one!, on google, as well as in Welsh newspapers, items relating to Meetings etc.)

What a surprise when I started my computer this morning. I was away all day yesterday.
Thanks so very much for your help everyone. I was up against a brick wall and you have helped me to make sense of a lot of hunches and suspicions.
I had found Mary Francis visiting John Johnsons farm in Derby with a 20 year old Mary E Francis in the 1861 Census, and this caused me to suspect their were more children of James and Mary Francis.
Elizabeth Mary Cordes Francis was obviously known as 'Mary'. She was visiting her sister Georgianna in the 1871 Census as Mary Hirst (clergyman's wife). Obviously newly married.

It was interesting to read the newspaper articles, in particular the fundraising for Rev James Francis's young family. An article stated at the time of going to press the charity fund had reached seven hundred pounds, so it obviously allowed for the children to have a good education.

I had guessed Mary Francis's maiden name was Powell but now see it was Price.
My mind is racing -
My mother has an extremely old embroidery sampler given to her by her mother. The last embroidery line reads Emma Richardson 1839.
I have been unable to locate an Emma Richardson in our family tree on any side.
But I did find a record of a marriage between a Harold Joseph Hirst and an Emma Richardson in March 1924 at West Derby. Harold's mother was a Margaret Price. This was well after the 1839 date on the sampler so possibly just a coincidence, and a mystery that will never be solved.

Thanks again to you all.

Great work, you guys!!

We went out last night so I couldn't help you ......... not that you needed any help :-D

03 February 1871 - Sheffield Independent - Sheffield, South Yorkshire

Hirst - Francis
Jan. 31st. at St. John's Church, Derby, by the Rev. Thomas Hirst B.A., Vicar of Holmesfield, Derbyshire, father of the bridegroom, assisted by the Rev. A. E. Francis, BA., Curate of Eccles, Lancashire, brother of the bride, the Rev. Jermyn S. Hirst, M.A., Senior Curate of Crewe, Cheshire, to Elizabeth Mary Cordes, eldest daughter of the late Rev. James Francis, Vicar of St. Paul's, Newport, Monmouth.


05 December 1871 - Liverpool Daily Post - Liverpool, Merseyside, England

BIRTHS.
Hirst - November 27, at Shrigley Parsonage, Cheshire, the wife the Rev. Jermyn S. Hirst, of a son.

Chris :)

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Hirst&GSiman=1&GSst=4595&GRid=131867651&

(Thomas Hirst. Father)

Brilliant!!

Got them all somehow!

Jude

Elizabeth certainly survived childhood

Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)
Bingham Lucy Derby 7b 531 Scan available - click to view
Coxon William Derby 7b 531 Scan available - click to view
Francis Elizabeth Mary C Derby 7b 531 Scan available - click to view
HIRST Jermyn Shephard Derby 7b 531 <<<<<<<<<

(more on Son James)

Chris :)

Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900 (Ancestry)

Name: James [Street]. Francis
College: ST JOHN'S
Entered: Michs. 1855
More Information:
Adm. pens. at ST JOHN'S, July 5, 1855. S. of James, clerk [and Mary]. B. at Newport, Mon. Bapt. July 15, 1835. Matric. Michs. 1855; B.A. 1863; M.A. 1872. Ord. deacon (Ripon) 1863; priest, 1865; C. of St Mary's, Leeds, 1863-4. C. of Arncliffe with Halton Gill, 1864-5. Assistant Chaplain at Wakefield Prison, 1865-77, and of Millbank Prison, London, 1866-7. Chaplain of Dartmoor Prison, 1867-72. C. of Ross, Herefs., 1872-3. C.-in-charge of Neenton, Salop, 1873-4. C. of St George's, Hulme, Lancs., 1874-5. V. of St Anne's, Lancaster, 1875-83. V. of Dunhamon-Trent with Ragnall and Darlton, Notts., 1883-1906. R. of Hawerby with Beesby, Lincs., 1906-7. Died Oct. 5, 1907, at Grimsby. (Crockford; Scott, MSS.; Cambridge Chronicle, Oct. 11, 1907; The Guardian, Nov. 6, 1907.)


Deaths Dec 1907 (>99%)
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Francis James 72 Grimsby 7a 331


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=francis&yearOfDeath=1908&page=2#calendar

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Elizabeth or Mary lol

wow -Claire I think you've got it!

So we have them all except Elizabeth in 1851...

And we really need Jenny to come back!

Jude

Unless this is him


Deaths Sep 1848 (>99%)

FRANCIS John Derby 19 325 Scan available - click to view

Yes Coleridge's father was a reverend an d Lamb's a lawyer....maybe children of professionals?

Strange we can't find John

Jude

The Clergy Orphan School was set up for deceased clergy's sons so I take it there would have been a considerable emphasis on religion (James went into the church)

Christ's Hospital School aka the Bluecoat School has a "complex set of scholarships", Alfred could have qualified due to his deceased father's occupation. Previous pupils include Charles Lamb& Samuel Coleridge so it would appear that this school is unconnected with Alfred's choice of occupation/

So James and Alfred fit with the occupations they went into????

Jude

James was at the Clergy Orphan School for Boys

Wm (who may be a red herring) Dean's Yard number 2 Boarding house for West School

From doing a bit of google, I think this is Westminster School

Alfred was at Christ's Hospital School, Newgate

The censuses are not clear about which school - or at least the page...maybe need to go back to beginning

Jude

The boys might well have had fees reduced at their schools because they were the sons of a clergyman, or they might have received special scholarships or bursaries as their father was a deceased clergyman


Claire ............... could you see which schools they were at?

Yes possibly - she was Elizabeth Mary Cordes Francis. It wouldn't be the first time someone transposed their names

Jude

Then again, perhaps Elizabeth & Mary E are the same person