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MC, did look at Mrs Bell the other night, Clara Belinda, Death 1949 Queensland, on ER 1928 as 'Clerk'...

(Trove, Newspapers not helping either!)

Chris :)


AT LIMPLEY STOKE
Funeral of Mrs. Alice Hoiley The funeral of Mrs. Alice Priscilla Holley, widow of Mr. William Holley, of Limpley Stoke took place on Thursday last week at the Church of St. Mary the Virgin. Limpley Stoke, the Rev. T. F. Baker officiating ...”

09 November 1940 - Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette - Bath, Somerset


THE LATE MR. W. HOLLEY
Funeral Service at Limpley Stoke The funeral took place on Wednesday at St. Mary the Virgin's Church, Limpley Stoke, of Mr. William Holley, a resident of Limpley Stoke. At the church two hymns, "Thy way, not mine, O Lord" and "Abide with me,'' and the 39th ...”

19 November 1932 - Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette - Bath, Somerset

Have followed Frank (guess he'd be Edith Louise's cousin).

He died in 1936. He's on the 1934 Electoral Roll:

Name: Frank Fletcher
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1934
Subdistrict: Gympie
State: Queensland
District: Wide Bay
Country: Australia
Residence Address: Deep Creek
Occupation: Timber Getter

I scrolled through the pages of the ER to the H's and Edith Louise Holley is still there at Mrs Bell's, Channon Street - yet can't get her on any searches, even allowing for bad mis-transcriptions.

Frank dies in 1936, he's still recorded in 1936 at the above address but Edith Louise is no longer listed.

So, there was some life event circa 1935 for Edith Louise - marriage, death, relocation?

I don't think there is any doubt that the Edith Louise in Australia is the correct one, the problem is where did she go after 1928?

As her aunt died 1931 might she have got an inheritance that enabled her to travel elsewhere? Going by the Electoral Rolls, Edith Louise worked in hotels/guest houses - have looked for clues there but no joy. (She's not the Edith Louisa Roberts at the Appollonian Hotel, Gympie on the 1936 ER with husband Percy Emanuel Roberts - that woman was born Edith Louisa Ferguson in 1903).

Aunt Frances Elizabeth Fletcher lived with her nephew Frank on the ERs (he's Frank Alexander Fletcher, born c1884 Cockermouth to her sister Annie Freeman Annetts (who also seems to have married a different Henry Fletcher!)).

John, can you just read through below items, don't you think that Birth date given at Death, belongs to other Edith perhaps...

Unfortunately we haven't uncovered more on your Edith Louise in Australia, but other info. is very good so far...


(and, for your confirmation question, No, would say not her!, and if still in doubt to perhaps get the other Edith Birth Cert.)

Chris :)


John Report 16 Sep 2015 02:49

I can confirm that Edith Louise Holly was born on 14 Jun 1891 at Warleigh,Bathford,RSDand her parents were listed as William Holly and Alice Priscilla Pickering

The death cert States the a Edith Holley died on the 12 Nov 1970 at 19 ManorRd Redbridge.the date of birth is said to be 6 Aug 18919


(then posted earlier)

Baptism
County Somerset
Place Bathford
Church St Swithin Tr
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 26 Jul 1891
Forename Edith Louise
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Alice
FatherSurname HOLLY
Abode Warleigh
FatherOccupation Labourer


Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
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HOLLY Edith Louise Bath 5c 599


(then below one)


First name(s) EDITH
Last name HOLLEY
Gender Female
Birth day 6
Birth month 8
Birth year 1891
Death quarter 4
Death year 1970
District REDBRIDGE
County Essex
Volume 5D
Page 1580


possibly her birth

First name(s) EDITH
Last name HOLLEY
Birth year 1891
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District WEST HAM
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 275

Thanks everyone. The 2 dead are twins and they lived for 1 month. Edith was still alive at the 1911 censor and one other was living at the place of her work. All I need is confirmation that the Edith Louise Holley who was at Claybury is the same person as stated on the Birth cert.

Thanks John Holley.

(nothing further on Edith!, but just to add below) (Newspaper items relating also, to 2 Deaths below)


Deaths Dec 1940 (>99%)
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Holley Alice P 78 Kingswood 6a 533


Deaths Dec 1932 (>99%)
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HOLLEY William 69 Bradford-on-A. 5a 124


Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
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Fletcher Henry 41 Cockermouth 10b 431

(on below)

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

Chris :)


(below relates to West Ham Family)


Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
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HOLLEY John Thomas St.Neot's
Salloway Ellen St Neots 3b 508 (her Father, Ephraim)


Deaths Jun 1914 (>99%)
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Holley John T 58 W. Ham 4a 248


(his Burial on below link)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/


(1911 address, 7 Short Road Leytonstone, Low Leyton, Essex, England)


Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------
Holley Ellen 62 W.Ham 4a 614

Edith in 1928 (she's not "Mrs" - that 's a mistranscription):

Mrs Edith Louise Holley
in the Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Mrs Edith Louise Holley
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1928
Subdistrict: Gympie
State: Queensland
District: Wide Bay
Country: Australia
Address: Mrs Bell's, Channon Street.

John's not the only one confused by the two Ediths -

a tree on Ancestry has all the details of the Somerset family, but gives the Redbridge death for Edith.

It also says she married Alfred (no surname) - no proof given.

The Edith who died in Redbridge died as Holly / Holley - presumably unmarried.

So it's the Somerset Edith who went to Australia who may have married Alfred?

Well, I think that's 'cracked it' then - Great teamwork !

Dea x

Here she is!

Name: Edith Louise Holley
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1926
Subdistrict: Gympie
State: Queensland
District: Wide Bay
Country: Australia
Residence Address: Deep Creek
Occupation: Home Duties

Aunt Frances is also in Deep Creek, Gympie

I really do not think that the 1970 death is her at all. It is highly likely the other West Ham woman.

1931 C1424 Frances Elizabeth Fletcher John Annetts Helen Freeman

https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=deaths

(from above)

edits

Fletcher Francis Elizabeth 13/06/1931 MP-10-377

http://research.gympiecemeterytrust.com.au:8008/mapguide/Gympie/Public/index.php

Chris :)

(yep, must get moving here also, been in 'chair' too long, Well done too MC, will leave you with it, lol)

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Edith Holley
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1893
Departure Date: 8 May 1914
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Brisbane, Australia
Ship Name: Osterley
Shipping line: Orient Line
Official Number: 128287
Master: W H Jenks

and on the same ship

Name: Frances Fletcher
Gender: Female
Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1854
Departure Date: 8 May 1914
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Brisbane, Australia
Ship Name: Osterley
Shipping line: Orient Line
Official Number: 128287
Master: W H Jenks

Just too much of a coincidence.

Looks like they'd originally been due to depart 24 April but changed their departure.

Looks highly likely MC as they had lived together for all those years and I don't believe that Frances had any living children ?

She must have come back if she was the one who died here in 1970 but I can't at the moment to see her returning.

Dea x

According to a tree on Ancestry, Frances Fletcher died in Brisbane in 1931 in Queensland, Australia.

There is this arrival:

Name: Mrs Fletcher
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Age: 57
Arrival Date: 2 Nov 1914
Arrival Port: Brisbane, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Orsova
Nationality: British

On the image the entry is for Mrs Fletcher and Miss Fletcher, aged 26. Could that be Edith travelling under her aunt's surname?

Must go and get dressed - see you later ;-) ;-) ;-)

Baptism
County Somerset
Place Freshford
Church St Peter Tr
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 11 Aug 1867
Forename Henry
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Jane
FatherSurname FLETCHER
Abode Freshford
FatherOccupation Carrier

(and Henry perhaps?)

Chris :)

Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
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FLETCHER William Bradford, W. 5a 167
Pickering Charlotte Bradford Wilts 5a 167


Burial
County Somerset
Place Freshford
Church St Peter Tr
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 10 Dec 1868
Forename Jane
Surname FLETCHER
Age 41
Abode Pipe House Freshford

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

AAAhhhh ! - Here is the connection: 1871:

Name: Alice Pickering
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Freshford
Ecclesiastical parish: Freshford
Town: Freshford
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bradford On Avon
Sub-registration district: Bradford South Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 68
Piece: 1923
Folio: 20
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
William Fletcher 43
Charlotte Fletcher 37
Charles Fletcher 14
Eliza Fletcher 12
Alice Pickering 8 ***
Henry J Pickering 7
Emma Fletcher 7
Henry Fletcher 4 ***
Frederick J Fletcher 1
Bessie Fletcher 2 Months
Cancel
Source Citation

Class: RG10; Piece: 1923; Folio: 20; Page: 12; GSU roll: 830872
Source Information

Ancestry.com. 1871 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

Dea x

Yes - I tend to switch between the two when I get annoyed with one of them ;-)

I don't know how she could be a niece yet though - this is the marriage of 'aunt's' parents:

Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)
Annetts John Worcester 6c 332 Scan available - click to view
FREEMAN Helen Worcester 6c 332 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

(and Well done you Dea, lol, I see you resorted to Ancestry?, was you frustrated with FMP slowness too, I nearly went 'over' meself, getting a bit too much of it of late!)

Chris :)

(tuts, as if by magic, lol, as below FMP 1911)

Frances Fletcher Head Widow Female Housework 57 1854 Brooklyner U S A
Edith Louise Holby Niece Single Female Housework 19 1892 Warley Someset