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Thanks alviegal - it is deflating. Im hoping to have it this week otherwise im going to be so angry! I cant believe ive had to wait so long xx

my sad tale Natalie is that I once waited two months for a certificate (one I was not desperate to see obviously), and when it occurred to me that it should really have arrived by then ... this was before on line tracking ... I emailed the GRO to inquire ... and found it had been put in the post, lo, those 2 months before and lost its way en route

they send another one immediately and it arrived promptly!

Im going to give it until the end of the month and i will email again. I did send an email two days ago but i've heard nothing :-(

If it's any consolation, Natalie, I haven't received my certificate yet. They said date of issue was to be Sep. 11th. and I know it doesn't take that long for letters to cross the Atlantic., everything's air mail now.

Mine said 28th :( i'm just hoping its not gonna take longer than this week :(

that's six days to go ... so I am resolved to wait until then and not to keep opening this thread multiple times a day now even though it shows a new post every time I check my threads :-)

if it said the 28th, then you should stop disappointing yourself by expecting it before then! :-D

(also, once you do get the certificate, your thread is now pages longer than it should be and that much more difficult to check back in for info ... probably we should all just delete our when-will-it-come posts once it does :-) )

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ITS ARRIVED!!!!!!!

Fantastic news!

Selwyn was born 4/june 1911

Mothers name: Caroline Owen
Fathers name: John Owen

And they lived in abergwynfi! :-D

Not john owen - john waters.

Sorry.. Over excited! :-D

Great, Natalie! So we were right! Oh my, we're good!

Still haven't received my certificate yet.

So pleased! Well done Margee for finding the right couple. :-)

My date to be dispatched was today.. But they sent it on th 25th! It was so lovely because they had told me over email that it would be here by the 5th october so i just thought i'd get it late! Ha. Im going to the gym now.. But when i get back i will be straight on my laptop!! So excited!

Thanks everyone for all the help and support! Im so happy we were on the right track after all that waiting!!!! :-D

It's been a long wait but so glad it's finally arrived :-D :-D :-D :-D

yes, finally!! thanks alviegal.

also - I am going to be even more of a pain now. I'm reading through all the information. so what we think is, or is it certain.. that john waters (father unknown) lived with his aunty Rachel James - who married her employer? would the reason be his mother jane may have passed away?

Yes, someone, Chris maybe? found the death of Jane Harries in 1893 - I've pmed you a copy of the burial record.

I believe John Waters' single mum, Jane Waters (image of John's baptism pmed to you), had married Thomas Harries in 1890, and they along with John are visitors of the Adams family in census 1891, with Rachel Waters working in the household next door for widower Thomas James, a farmer, who she later married (image of marriage register also pmed to you).

Looks like after Jane's death, Thomas and Rachel James took responsibility for John, who was Rachel's nephew.

Thanks. I cpuldn't seem to find that. Thank you!

I am slightly disappointed because I think that the Barbara Waters who has a tree on here, is somewhere along the lines related as we have many relations in our trees. Sadly I am unable to contact her :(

I think Barbara has two accounts here (two trees)

I'll send you the details privately rather than discuss her here

the account you likely sent your message to (the one that shows Selwyn Waters) is likely more recent though ...


also sent various other info and contact info for Barbara's daughter

Hi. Thanks JoonieCloonie - I have tried contacting those you sent privately.

I later found a member on the site that had Rachel Waters and Thomas James on his tree.. I messaged him and he told me that the Rachel Waters in his tree married a Thomas James of Thomas Chapel - Begelly. ( I remember someone mentioning this to me before on the forum)

He then said that he was a widow (which we knew) but he said that John Waters was his offspring with his deceased wife.. ?

Confused!!!

Also - another person I have contacted has Rachel Waters in his tree-but there are more siblings than the ones we had. But his Rachel Waters was also married to a Thomas James.

He also has Joseph Waters and Anne Phelps as parents to Rachel, Jane, Joseph, John, James, Benjamine, Anne, Elizabeth etc.

Do you think these could be my ancestors?

Here are the children that are recorded in the censuses, it would seem to be all the children you mention above, who would be aunts and uncles to John Waters father of Selwyn:

1871:

Joseph Waters Head - Male 50 1821 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
Rachel Waters Daughter - Female 25 1846 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
William Waters Son - Male 18 1853 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
Joseph Waters Son - Male 13 1858 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
James Waters Son - Male 11 1860 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
>>>>>>>>>>Jane Waters Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Pembrokeshire, Wales

1861:
Joseph Waters Head Married Male 42 1819 Engine Driver Pembrokeshire, Wales
Anne Waters Wife Married Female 38 1823 - Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Ben Waters Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Miner Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Elizabeth Waters Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1849 Scholar Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
John Waters Son Unmarried Male 10 1851 Scholar Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
William Waters Son Unmarried Male 8 1853 Scholar Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Anne Waters Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 - Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Joseph Waters Son Unmarried Male 3 1858 - Begelly, Pembrokeshire Wales
James Waters Son Unmarried Male 1 1860 - Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales

1851:
Joseph Waters Head Married Male 33 1818 Engineer Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Ann Waters Wife Married Female 26 1825 Engineer Wife Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Benjamin Waters Son Unmarried Male 8 1843 Son Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
May Waters Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 Daughter Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Richard Waters Son Unmarried Male 4 1847 Son Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Eliza Waters Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1849 Daughter Begelly, Pembrokeshire, Wales
John Waters Son Unmarried Male 0 1851 Son -

There is also a Phillip:

First name(s) PHILLIP
Last name WATERS
Birth year 1862
Birth day -
Birth month -
Baptism year 1862
Baptism day 07
Baptism month Jul
Place BEGELLY
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Father's first name(s) Joseph
County Pembrokeshire
Country Wales
Record set Pembroke Baptisms

and a Martha:

First name(s) MARTHA
Last name WATERS
Birth year 1863
Birth day -
Birth month -
Baptism year 1863
Baptism day 27
Baptism month Dec
Place BEGELLY
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Father's first name(s) Joseph
County Pembrokeshire
Country Wales
Record set Pembroke Baptisms