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Argyllgran,
James Frizzell was the eldest son, born about a year after his parents 1858 marriage.
He married in 1884 and his younger brother died in 1883
Therefore if Flora was a widow, she couldn't have been married to any of Hugh and Anne's children?

An extract of the 1858 marriage can be obtained from Groni for 5 credits (about £2) .
It may provide the name and occupation for the fathers of Hugh and Anne.

I had a look at that 1881 census with Flora Frizzle - she's listed as a widow.

So maybe she is indeed a sister-in-law rather than a sister ???

GlasgowLass, you have really lit my curiosity. I inputted this info into the NI registry and figured i would order it-

HUGH Frizzell married Anne Wilson in Ballymoney, Co Antrim on 3 Aug 1858.

I wonder if there was a marriage license and what info it might reveal...

I wondered what happened to Hugh b 1863 in Antrim as I could find no trace of him after 1881.
There is a matching death on SP registered in Greenock
He died in 1883 age 20yrs.

This means that his brother James ( your ancestor) bc 1859 in Antrim was the only surviving male child.

Haha! The penny now drops thanks so much for the clarification Glasgowlass.

To clarify:
HUGH Frizzell married Anne Wilson in Ballymoney, Co Antrim on 3 Aug 1858.
Children:
**JAMES bc 1859 Co Antrim
Jane bc 1861 Co Antrim
Hugh bc 1863 Co Antrim
Ann b 24 May 1865 Greenock
Margaret b 23 Oct 1866 Greenock
Agnes b 23 Jun 1868 Greenock


**JAMES married Hessie Brown in Greenock in 1884
They had at least 2 children:

**HUGH b 1885 Greenock
Ann b 1890 Greenock

** HUGH married Christina Sutherland on 10 Jun 1904

I'll have to be careful here when inputting into my family tree as I see I have Hugh twice, sandwiched between James. My greatgrandfather Hugh (George's Dad) and I assume Hugh's grandfather was also called Hugh...

Awesome information ArgyllGran! Thanks for digging this up for me. I will now have to look at somehow adding all this info to my tree. :-D

Flora Thompson (junior) in 1871 census:

1869 THOMSON FLORA F GREENOCK OLD OR WEST /RENFREW 564/03 1238

Born 2 December,at 29 Hamilton Street, illegitimate daughter of Flora Thomson, domestic servant.

So I don't think her mother's the same as Flora Frizzle in 1881.
Flora Frizzle's listed as the sister of all the others, so it's not as if Flora Thomson had married into the family.

Unless there was another son, and "sister" means "sister-in-law" and they didn't marry in Scotland!

1871
Name: Ann Frizzle
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: Hugh Frizzle
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 564/3
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil Parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 23 East Shaw St
ED: 25
Household schedule number: 70
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1871_99
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugh Frizzle 38
Janes Frizzle 13
Jane Frizzle 10
Hugh Frizzle 8
Ann Frizzle 5
Mayas Frizzle 5
Anne Frizzle 3
Flor Thompson 24 Servant b Greenock
Flora Thompson 1

Not sure what's going on but on this next census head of household shows a Flora Frizzell.
She is almost definitely Flora Thompson from previous return

1881
Name Age
Flora Frizzle 33 Head b Ireland ??
James Frizzle 22 brother b Co Antrim
Jane Frizzle 24 sister b Co Antrim
Hugh Frizzle 18 brother b Co Antrim
Maggie Frizzle 14 sister b Greebock
Agnes Frizzle 13 sister b Greenock

Here's you answer Andrew... They married in Co Antrim

Name: Hugh Frizell
Date of Registration: 1858 ****
Registration district: Ballymoney
Volume: 2
Page Number: 207
FHL Film Number: 101247
Records on Page:
Name
Hugh Frizell
Anne Wilson

Checked against details on Groni, marriage took place in Ballymoney on 3 Aug 1858

Scottish births for Hugh and Ann can be found on Familysearch from 1865 onwards
Ann b 24 May 1865
Margaret b 23 Oct 1866
Agnes b 23 Jun 1868

I can imagine that this might be another corruption of the surname - all versions can be seen on a Scottish 1901 census.
Frizzle

People were not so literate, so
maybe didn't know how to spell the name, couldn't read to check how it had been written, it was just written as it was heard, bad handwriting transcribed by someone else from an original etc etc.

The more unusual a name the more chance for differences but you only have to look at Clark/Clarke - I have the same family spelt both ways in my tree and when a Clark married a Clarke.................

Even today things are spelt differently depending on all those things.

The spelling of Frizel, Frizzel and Frizzell?

Glasgowlass thanks for info, so I now see Scottish, Irish and Nordic roots. fascinating. In answer to your question yes I have the birth certificate of George Alexander Lever Frizzell plus the marriage license of Hugh and Christina. Regards Andrew.

Your info seems to tie up with what I can see on the 1904 marriage license for Hugh and Chrstina Frizzell. I'm rather curious about the Irish roots. I wonder how accurate that would be? I guess the further back you go the more sketchy the records become...

FRIZELL James of Ireland (age 32) (labourer) (3 Prospecthill St) Greenock 1891 1891 census 564/2/44/81

(info pulled from http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarff.html)

Kerensky,
Do have the birth details of George Alexander Frizzell b 1920 in Greenock?

I was at the GRO today and I took a note of this beforehand.
As with all birth records the parents marriage is added to the cert.
George was born 15 yrs after the marriage and as far as I can tell, he was the youngest child.
There were 3 different Frizzell families in Greenock at this time.
Two families were brothers but, yours does not seem to have any connection to them.

James Frizzell and Hessie Brown married in Greenock 1884
James was the son of Hugh Frizzell and Ann Wilson
Hessie was the daughter of Robert Brown and Margaret McAllister

.Name: James Frizzel
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Hessie Frizzel
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland **
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil Parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 3 Prospecthill St
Occupation: Sugar House Labourer
ED: 44
Household schedule number: 81
LINE: 11
Roll: CSSCT1891_183
Household Members:
Name Age
James Frizzel 32
Hessie Frizzel 31 B Ireland
******HUGH Frizzel Son 6 ******* B Greenock
Annie Frizzel 6 Mo

Cant find family in 1901?

10 Jun 1904:
HUGH FRIZZELL married Christina Sutherland in Greenock
Christina was the daughter of Peter Sutherland and Mary Maxwell.

Children all born in Greenock:
Mary Maxwell Frizzel b 27 Sep 1905
James Frizzell b 10 Nov 1907 (Twin)
John Miller Frizzell b 10 Nov 1907 ( Twin)
Carherine Maxwell Frizzell b1 9 Feb 1909
Marion Graham Frizzell b 12 Oct 1912
Robert Brown Frizzell b 26 Mar 1915
GEORGE ALEXANDER Frizell b 27 Jul 1920

So it looks like your early Scottish roots are in fact... IRISH!

Edit: From the Frizzell births provided by Argyllgran I suspect that Williamina Sutherland Frizzell b 1924 may be a child from this family that I missed!

Best guess Emily had at the very least 8 husbands. I could be wrong but I suspect that to be the case. Mainly i'm interested in her link to George Alexander Lever Frizzell, my interest being my Scottish roots. Obviously now I also see Nordic roots too. Its a shame Frank Simms is as far as the records go (no recorded father).....but hey ho 3 generations was the plan and quite surprised what I have learnt thus far.

Tonight I ordered George & Emily's marriage certificate.

Yes, that's the one I posted earlier.

Emily had previously been married to William Mairs, which is why the marriage record shows both surnames.

This is her previous marriage:

Marriages Mar 1946 (>99%)
Mairs William G R Nelson Durham S.E. 10a 233
Nelson Emily Mairs Durham S.E. 10a 233

I don't see a death for William between the two marriages, so suppose they divorced. There's a possible remarriage for him in Ealing, Middlesex in 1955, and then a possible death in Surrey in 1993.

Marriages Dec 1951 (>99%)

NELSON Emily FRIZZELL Durham S.E. 1a 1284

This looks like the right marriage info.

Project coming together nicely, thanks for all your help guys. :-)
Next goal marriage licenses for grandparents.

George Frizzell to Emily Nelson
Harry Simms to Stella Hawkins

Called in at my local registry office today, it's quite literally around the corner from my office and ordered marriage license for Paul Simms and Christine Frizzell as well as her birth certificate.