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However oddly no Mother's name listed on the birth registration for Frank H Simms on the 1892 birth register???

Ah if this death registration is correct then it seems very likely that he is the very same Frank Henry Simms born in Shipston-on-Stour


First Name FRANK H
Last Name SIMMS
Gender Male
Year 1965
Birth Year 1892
Birth Month
Birth Day
District HULL
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 2A
Event Quarter 3
District Number
Page 275
Line Number 134
Entry Number
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
DOR
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Collections from Great Britain

This is definitely the marriage details-


First Name FRANK H
Last Name SIMMS
Gender Male
Year 1914
Spouse ELIASSEN
Image Quarter 1
Country England
County Yorkshire
District HULL
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 9D
Page 438
Line Number 13
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Collections from Great Britain

This could be him I think-


First Name FRANK HENRY
Last Name SIMMS
Birth Year 1892
Gender Male
Mother's Maiden Name
Year 1892
Country England
County Warwickshire
Event Quarter 3
District SHIPSTON ON STOUR
District Number
Volume 6D
Page 685
Entry Number
Line Number 58
DOR
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Collections from Great Britain

Hmmm yes this doesn't add up, I think you are right as my grandfather Harry Leonard Simms was born in 1914 so this can't be Frank Henry Simms. Thanks for clearing that up.

This looks like the census for John Frank Henry but please bear in mind that I've come on this thread a long way down so I don't know if it's your ancestor


Name: John Frank Henry Simms
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Rugby
Civil Parish: Coventry
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County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 62 Godiva St Coventry
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: School
Registration district: Coventry
Registration District Number: 390
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 18512
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Simms 38
Ann Eliza Simms 30
Nellie May Simms 11
John Frank Henry Simms 10
Hilda Marion Simms 9
Bertha Elizabeth Simms 5
Alice Beatress Simms 4



EDIT I suspect that this is not your man

Oh I see, so if these church records are correct it would appear Henry Frank Simms was not illegitimate as was previously thought but his father was actually Frank Simms?

Kerensky what you've found is a website run by the Church of Later Day Saints. They came over and filmed parish records which were then put on the internet

Hugh was indeed a home child


Item: Hugh FRIZZEL
Given Name(s): Hugh
Surname: FRIZZEL
Age: 11
Gender: M
Ship: STATE OF NEBRASKA
Port of Departure: Glasgow
Date of Departure: 1896-04-03
Port of Arrival: Halifax
Date of Arrival: 1896-04-14
Year of Arrival: 1896
Party: Quarrier's Orphan Homes of Scotland
Destination: Brockville, Ontario
Comments: 132 children
Type of Records: Passenger Lists
Microfilm Reel Number: C-4517
Children travelling together: H96BD
Source: Library and Archives Canada
Reference: RG 76 C1b
Item Number: 43658

Now this is interesting, just typed my great grandfather's name inti Google and it brought this link up- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XXBJ-RLG
I wonder if this was his father then???

I think the parish is Rasharkin, which Wikipedia says is 8 miles south of Ballymoney.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasharkin

Yes, it's Antrim.
I can't make out the parish name, but it's not Ballymoney.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/kornflakes77/2015-08-27%2020.25.22_zpsufzxlzug.jpg

So a little query about this 1858 marriage license.....I have this feeling, that the X marks indicate the parties were illiterate? Also the cursive writing is hard to understand. Can anyone else make out the Parish, i'm pretty sure it's Antrim County. Although where Balamoney comes into place, no idea?

see-

http://s305.photobucket.com/user/kornflakes77/media/2015-08-27%2020.25.22_zpsufzxlzug.jpg.html

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/kornflakes77/2015-08-27%2020.25.22_zpsufzxlzug.jpg

Hi Alviegal, yes that must be my great great grandfather on that list of Sugarhouse labourers. :-)

I see James Frizzel was a sugarhouse labourer.

Here is a list of Frizzels working in the sugar refineries. Maybe some of them are your family?



FRIZZEL David of Ireland (age 24) (lab) (1 Bearhope St) Greenock 1881 1881 census CD
FRIZZEL David - (age 31) (labourer) (21 Amos St) Liverpool 1911 1911 census RG14/ 22492/ 343
FRIZZEL James of Dunbarton (age 28) (lab) (114 Drumfrocher Rd) Greenock 1881 1881 census CD
FRIZELL David of Ireland (age 42) (labourer) (72 Ann St) Greenock 1901 1901 census 564/2/45/22
FRIZELL James of Ireland (age 32) (labourer) (3 Prospecthill St) Greenock 1891 1891 census 564/2/44/81
FRIZELL William of Ireland (age 24) (labourer) (54 Drumfrocher Rd) Greenock 1891 1891 census 564/1/24/136
FRIZELL William of Ireland (age 34) (labourer) (66 Ann St) Greenock 1901 1901 census 564/2/44/65
FRIZZLE Hugh of Ireland (age 18) (labourer) (9 E Shaw St) Greenock 1881 1881 census 564/3/10/121
FRIZZLE James of Ireland (age 22) (labourer) (9 E Shaw St) Greenock 1881 1881 census 564/3/10/121

A treasure trove of information thank you so much. Irish, Scottish, Nordic and some unknown roots too that will likely remain a mystery. This has been truly fascinating. I am awaiting several certificates and no doubt they will help me build a picture of my families varied geographical history. Such a shame Frank Henry Simms is a dead end.

That's what I expected and it more or less confirms what I thought
James and Hessie both died within 5yrs of each other leaving Hugh orphaned at around the age of 10 yrs.
Im certain that he was sent to Canada as a Quarriers child.

I can find him going out in 1896 and on the 1901 census in Canada.
I can't find him coming back between 1901 and 1904..

A carter was person who pulled a horse and cart,... or a delivery driver

There is something else and I really don't know if it's relevant.

There was a man named William John Kane Frizzell ( pastry baker) born in Co Antrim circa 1857
He married Matilda Porter Sutherland in Port Glasgow in 1875.
Matilda was also from Co Antrim and can be found on the 1871 census with her parents named John and Ann ( therefore not connected to Christina Sutherland)

This couple lived in Greenock where they had a number of Scots born children before moving back to Ireland and completing their family.
They too lived in Ballymoney.
I think that this man may connect to your family but, I couldn't guarantee it

GlasgowLass, just having a look now at the marriage certificate for Hugh & Christina 1904. It says Hugh Frizzell a Railway Carter, I wonder what that was? Christina Housekeeper. Parents James Frizzel Sugarhouse Labourer (deceased) Hessie Frizzell/Brown (deceased).

I must say the writing is difficult to understand. Reading cursive writing is becoming a lost art.

Kerensky,
Can you look at the 1904 marriage of Hugh and Christina and confirm that BOTH of Hughs parents were deceased at this time.

I think I know why I can't find them at 1901.
It looks like James died 1891 followed by Hessie in 1896.

In 1896 chid named Hugh with a matching profile to their son was sent to Canada as a Quarriers child !
I am certain that it's the same Hugh Frizzell.
He appears in Toronto at 1901 but is not found there afterwards

He must have returned to Greenock before 1904 but I can't find it