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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5 Albert Terrace Bean ST, Holy Trinity and St Mary, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Elias Eliasson Head Married Male Sailor Seaman Mercht 55 1856 -
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Alma Matilda Eliasson Wife Married Female - 55 1856 -
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Eugenie Reinhartsen Stepdaughter Single Female General Servant Domestic 30 1881 Hampshire Southampton
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Amanda Matilda Eliasson Daughter Single Female Bookfolder 18 1893 Yorkshire Hull

Name: Elias Eliasson
Birth Date: 1855
Birthplace:
Age: 29
Spouse's Name: Matilde Knudson
Spouse's Birth Date: 1855
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 29
Event Date: 06 Sep 1884
Event Place: Hull, York, England
Father's Name: Elias Davidson
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Olaf Knudson
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01478-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1657074
Reference ID: i506, v2, p237, c473



Citing this Record:
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN34-PVL : accessed 5 May 2016), Elias Eliasson and Matilde Knudson, 06 Sep 1884; citing Hull, York, England, reference i506, v2, p237, c473; FHL microfilm 1,657,074.

Hiya Argyle Gran, oh I must order that marriage license. Thanks for the details. :-)

???

[EDIT: sorry - already posted on page 2 ]

Elias Eliason
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Elias Eliason
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: W A Matilde Eliason
Gender: Male
Where born: Sweden
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Sailor
Registration district: Hull
Sub registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 51
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3941
Folio: 152
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Elias Eliason 34
W A Matilde Eliason 34
Magdalene Eliason 10
Odin Eliason 4

Matilda's parents' marriage (note spelling):

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
Eliasson Elias Hull 9d 310
Kundson Matilde Hull 9d 310


They sound Scandinavian.

EDIT:
Oops, just noticed already posted on page 2

If my grandfather's bc turns up Harry Leonard Simms I'll move on to his marriage license to Stella Hawkins (maiden name).

So the GRO sent my great grandmothers bc yesterday. Born the same year as her future husband Frank Henry Simms. Matilda Amanda Eliason was born if I can decipher the cursive script 10th November 1892, Lay Cottage, can't read the other cursive writing but could make out sub district of Myton in the County of Kingston upon Hull. Father listed as Elias Eliason (Merchant Seaman) and mother Matilda Eliason formerly Knudson?

Still no sign of my grandfather's bc...

You see the info you provided greyhost should actually have been sufficient for the purchase of my grandad's birth certificate but some odd reason several certificates I ordered failed to materialise for reasons I can not fathom. Hence I have now had to write to the GRO and fingers crossed this time I will be successful.

Edit: You will note I attempted to order my grandfather's BC back of this thread on 15 Aug 2015 without success.

Hi greyghost, yes i've ordered before with mixed results :-/ I've decided to back track over this thread of which you and a couple of others have been so helpful and I have wrote to the GRO with a request for my grandfathers birth certificate.

Posted on Page 1 of this thread.

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) HARRY L
Last name SIMMS
Birth year 1915
Birth quarter 1
Mother's last name ELIASEN
District HULL
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 574

Order from
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates - will cost £9.25

follow the instructions.

But you've ordered certificates before, so, are you having a problem for some reason?

The marriage is also on Page 1

You can ring the ordering service - info on the website above - if you are having problems which they will hopefully be able to sort out for you.

Birth.

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) HARRY L
Last name SIMMS
Birth year 1915
Birth quarter 1
Mother's last name ELIASEN
District HULL
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 574

I'm revisiting this thread with interest. I've tried to obtain my grandfather's BC without success. Harry Leonard Simms and perhaps his marriage license to Stella Simms again unsuccessfully. Can any one point me to the relevant information?

Food for thought

Frank Henry was born 2 June 1892 therefore conceived around 5 moths after the 1881 census.

On the 1881 census, Charlotte was just down the road from her family, living with the Elliott family.

Also with the Elliott family is Francis Alfred Bloxman born 1875 and his father was a baker.

I just wonder if Francis could be the father but it would take Y chromosome testing to prove.

Yes all very curious and thanks for the extra research °o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° .

So this was the only 'Harry Simms' listed and I have to say based on his age and location he seems the most likely candidate to have been the father. Of course there's actually no way to really know but it does seem quite likely Frank Henry Simms would have wanted to know who his father was and if Harry Simms a deceased baker appeared on his marriage license then in all likelihood I suspect there has to be a genuine connection albeit not substantiated by any other documentation.

England & Wales births 1837-2006
First Name HARRY
Last Name SIMMS
Birth Year 1862
Gender Male
Mother's Maiden Name
Year 1862
Country England
County Warwickshire
Event Quarter 2
District SHIPSTON ON STOUR
District Number
Volume 6D
Page 580
Entry Number
Line Number 114
DOR
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

At any rate I suspect this concludes the male lineage research. I've ordered 1862 Harry Simms birth certificate although no way of knowing how or if it connects to Frank Henry Simms for sure.

I don't think you'll ever know who Frank's father was. You could try to look for a bastardy bond but as Frank was brought up by his uncle, I suspect there's none.

I can find no trace of Charlotte after 1891 but..........

on the 1891 & 1901 census, Charlotte's father William has a grandson living with him.

Name: Henry Sims
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Brailes, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Brailes
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Brailes
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Shipston On Stour
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2486
Folio: 101
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sims 61
Mary Sims 59
Henry Sims 5

I just wonder if he's another of Charlotte's sons. His birth is listed as Henri Simms just in case you decide to check this out.

So finally a big piece of the Simms puzzle arrived today in the form of Frank Henry Simms birth certificate-

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/kornflakes77/DSC_0005_zpsrshnseup.jpg

So Frank Henry's father is not recorded as was originally suggested by other members of this forum, however by 1914 Frank Henry appears to have recorded his father as Harry. Did his mother Charlotte decide to tell him who the father was???

Ordering certs can be a very expensive form of purchase as the info contained on a download and that of an official cert is exactly the same

I'm still getting my head around this Glasgowlass so I did pay the £12 but that's OK as I do receive an official certificate. Regards Andrew

Kerensky,
When you say that you "ordered" the marriage cert, what do you mean?
I hope that you aren't paying £12 for it to be posted to you

This record is available to download directly from Scotlands People for 6 credits.
It costs £7 for 30 credits which, if used correctly will buy 5 certificates.

Available online at 6 credits each ( equates to £1.20)
All births before 1915
All marriages before 1939
All deaths before 1964

Records after these dates only need to be "ordered" or can be viewed in person at any of the 3 GRO offices in Scotland ( Edinburgh, Glasgow or Kilmarnock)

Glasgowlass I did just that thank you and have now ordered the correct marriage license :-)