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ArgyllGran thanks very much i've now with your help found the records for my grandparents marriage and my grandmother Stella birth.

Your a star! :-D

Any ideas how I would find if either of my grandads Harry Leonard Simms or George Alexander Lever Frizzell would have been drafted into service during WW2?

Oh i've hit a brick wall here.....I think you can't obtain Military records after 1922 as these are held by the MoD.

Try this website:
www.forces-war-records.co.uk

This site lists people who survived the war, as well as those who died.

You can search free, but then to see the details of any of the basic results you'll need to subscribe - one month's sub is £8.95.

NOTE: If you don't want to continue after the month, remember to cancel your sub, or it will renew automatically.

A free search for Harry brings up these results. I have no idea if any of them could be your Harry .

Full Matches: 1 results have been found that match your current search criteria.
First Name Surname Service Number Rank Record Year Unit
Harry Simms LT/JX 231652 Seaman 1943 Royal Naval Patrol Service

Similar Matches: 7 results with similar spelling variations have been found.
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First Name Surname Service Number Rank Record Year Unit
Harry Sams T/197658 Driver 1941 Royal Army Service Corps
Harry Sims CLDX3390 Petty Officer 1945 Hms Lanka
Harry Symes C/JX 128147 Able Seaman 1940 Hms Hotspur
Harry Symes C/JX 128147 Able Seaman 1940 Hms Hotspur
H L Sims 1510853 Gunner 1942 Royal Artillery
H L Sims 1510853 Gunner 1943 Royal Artillery
H L Symes 1947601 Sapper 1943 Royal Engineers



For Alexander, these are the results. Again, I have no idea if any of them would be your Alexander:

Full Matches: We did not find any full match results that match your current search criteria.
Similar Matches: 3 results with similar spelling variations have been found.
First Name Surname Service Number Rank Record Year Unit
A Friswell Lieutenant 1941
A J Frizell NX/27655 Private 1943 2/28th Infantry Battalion
A Frizzel 2928789 Private 1943 Cameron Highlanders

You can buy a copy of military records, from 1920 onwards, but you need to know the person's service number, as well as their full name and DOB - so no use in your situation. Unless you can find the service number from the site above.

https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/overview

H L Sims 1510853 Gunner 1942 Royal Artillery
H L Sims 1510853 Gunner 1943 Royal Artillery

The initials tally up for Harry

A Frizzel 2928789 Private 1943 Cameron Highlanders??? Maybe...

I'll investigate further...

This one looks interesting too-

https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/records/4048810/lieutenant-g-frizelle-home-guard-yorkshire-area/

I know George married in the Durham area in 1951 so he was clearly in the North of England.

So today i was amazed to get an pm from a genesreunited member who is the son of George Frizzell's sister (Grandad George had a sister!) and he has confirmed that George was indeed married previously and that therefore my Mother has a sister somewhere in Greenock......that's if she's still alive. However he also confirmed that George Frizzell did indeed see military service during WW2.

Recieved big wad of notes from the MoD about my Scottish grandad George Frizzell.

Re your post of 27 Jun 2016 re your grandad having a sister.
You seemed surprised?

Can you look back on this thread and look at my info dated 19 Aug 2015 at 18.10.

I picked up the info on a GRO visit at the time
It confirms all the details relating to the siblings of your grandfather, George Alexander Frizzell b 27 Jul 1920
He was the youngest of at least 7 children

Copied and Pasted:

Children born to Hugh Frizzell and Christina Sutherland who married in Greenock 10 Jun 1904

All children born in Greenock:
Mary Maxwell Frizzel b 27 Sep 1905
James Frizzell b 10 Nov 1907 (Twin)
John Miller Frizzell b 10 Nov 1907 ( Twin)
Carherine Maxwell Frizzell b1 9 Feb 1909
Marion Graham Frizzell b 12 Oct 1912
Robert Brown Frizzell b 26 Mar 1915
GEORGE ALEXANDER Frizell b 27 Jul 1920

I also think someone located another potential sister

GlasgowLass cheers for this i've now updated my gene tree i've assumed the girl born in 1909 is a spelling error. I'll backtrack over this very long thread and see if I can find the missing sibling.

Robert Brown Frizzell? Brown is an odd name makes me wonder???

Spelling error should read Catherine
I think you must have missed most of the information that I collected at the GRO for you in Aug 2015

If you go back over the thread and copy my response from 18.10 on 19 Aug 2015 you will find your ggg grandfather was named ROBERT BROWN



Your direct descendancy:
Great Great Great Grandparents:
Hugh Frizzell and Ann Wilson (who married in Ballymoney 3 Aug 1858)

Great Great Grandparents (who married in Greenock 1884)
James Frizzell and Hessie Brown ( dau of ROBERT BROWN and Margaret McAllister)

Great Grandparents (who married Greenock 10 Jun 1904)
Hugh Frizzell and Christina Sutherland ( dau of Peter Sutherland and Mary Maxwell)

Grandfather:
George Alexander Frizzell born in Greenck 1920

Kerensky....
The following may clarify a couple of things for you although to be honest I have been crossed eyed trying to follow through your threads....These are relative to the Frizzel (Variations)..

If you go back to Page 4 of your thread (21-27August 2015) and the postings by GlasgowLass /ArgyllGran and yourself .....

The Marriage of Hugh Frizzell and Ann Wilson took place 3 August 1858 in Rasharkin Church of Ireland in the Parish of Rasharkin and Civil District of Ballymoney.

The place where the couple lived was KILRAGHTS
Hugh was the son of James Frizzell of Ballaghmore.

19 July 1859 a Margaret "Frizzle" married a William Anderson in the Ballymoney Register's Office...she was sister to Hugh.

Moving forward ...

James Frizzell (Greenock) died on the 1st Nov.1891 aged 32 at 88 Drumfrochar Rd.Greenock

Hessie died at Smithson the home of her brother George Brown Feb 1896.

Have found this relating to Hugh Frizzell husband to Christina..He was employed on the Railway and can only assume the Ref.is Greenock District.....So he needed to have come back from Canada before May1902

Hugh Frizzell Record from RailScot.

12.05.1902 Greenock. Porter. aged 18 GD1/573/2
9.01.1905 Greenock Transferred to Traffic Inspectors Dept. GD1/573/2
5.01.1920 Greenock Carter GD1/573/2

Dear GlasgowLass, yes I discovered there was a lot of data that you found and lo behold I had saved it to my tree but had not got round to inputting the data. I think I shared my tree with you so you'll probably see that is the case :-) I am extremely grateful for your help.

Eringobragh1916, brilliant information thanks a lot! I've just added the little extra insights you mention to my tree.

Yesterday I ordered Great Grandad Hugh Frizzell's birth & death certificate. I already had his marriage license and a very kind gent has supplied me with his surviving WW1 war records which are fascinating. He served with the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders and was awarded two medals........to my complete surprise one of his medals had actually resurfaced about 10 years ago on a medal forum......so I pm'd the person only to discover he sold my great grandfather's medal on eBay. You never know it might resurface again.

I also sent an enquiry to the Argyll & Sutherland Regimental Museum because they can sometimes find stuff that others may not know.

The problem as i've explained to GlasgowLass I sometimes forget that when I research my Frizzell line is that the spelling for Frizzell can get quite whacky. The thought occurs to me as Hugh had so many children there must be some photos perhaps even of Hugh in his uniform? I wonder if Hugh was a kilted soldier??? I suspect he probably was although I think at some point he was posted out to Egypt so seems unlikely he'd be wearing an 8 yard wool black watch kilt in hot climes lol.

http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/

(just wanted to add above, for Hull area, you can also search by surname variant options, Elliasson, Reinhard. etc., quite a few!)

(just in case you wasn't aware of it!)

Chris :)

(yours below)

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1914

ELIASSEN Amanda M SIMMS Frank H St Matthews Hull HW/6/476


Yorkshire Death indexes for the years: 1929

ELIASSEN Elias 74 Humber Hull HUM/43A/74


Yorkshire Death indexes for the years: 1935

ELIASSEN Alma M 86 Humber Hull HUM/49A/301


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

(above Probate details for Elias 1929)

Another piece of info.relating to Hugh Frizzell....

Hugh signed the Ulster Covenant Sept 1912 at the Victoria Orange Hall Greenock..

You can see his signature by accessing Ulster Covenant on PRONI website...
Just enter his name nothing else......scroll down to the one with Greenock next to the name then open up folder ..He was a beautiful writer..!

Chis many thanks i've updated my family tree with the years of death for my Scandinavian great great grandparents.

Cheers!

Eringobragh1916 how curious that my great grandfather Hugh would have signed this. He was a few generations Scottish by this point and shortly to be enlisted into the army.

The thing that struck me as odd was he put down his address as Ballymoney, County Antrim when he lived in Greenock. Was he putting down his ancestral address I wonder? I know his grandad Hugh was from there I believe.

Thank you for the signature though it may be as close as I come to seeing a photo of Hugh.

I imagine he put the Antrim address to make clear that he had Ulster roots and allegiance.

There were still Frizzells in Ballymoney in 1911 (the family below) - quite possibly related in some way, though I'm not proposing to search for any link to Hugh.

Census Years 1911
Residents of a house 24 in Union Street (Ballymoney, Antrim)

Frizzell Ernest 17 Male Son Church of Ireland Co Antrim Grocers Assistant Read and write English Single - - - -

Frizzell Beatrice Noble 14 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Antrim - Read and write English Single - -

Frizzell Maud 19 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Antrim - Read and write English Single - - - -

Frizzell William John 53 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Co Antrim Baker Read and write English Widow

Also in 1901, just for the record - again not proposing to search for any link to Hugh -


Census Years1901
Residents of a house 24 in Union Street (Ballymoney (Urban) and Ballymoney Urban District, Antrim)

Frizzell Annie 24 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Scotland Tailoress Read and write - Not Married -

Frizzell Rose 16 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Scotland Scholar Read and write - Not Married -

Frizzell Jeannie 14 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Scotland Scholar Read and write - Not Married -

Frizzell Beatrice Mable 4 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Antrim Scholar Read - Not Married -

Frizzell Maud 9 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Antrim Scholar Read and write - Not Married -

Frizzell Ernest 7 Male Son Church of Ireland Co Antrim Scholar Read and write - Not Married -

Frizzell Matilda 43 Female Wife Church of Ireland Co Antrim - Read and write - Married -

Frizzell William John 44 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Co Antrim Pastry Baker Read and write - Married -

Frizzell Wm John 12 Male Son Church of Ireland Co Antrim Scholar Read and write - Not Married

(no idea of anything Irish!, but some names relating from AG on below (from 'google' search)

http://www.billmacafee.com/families/frizzells/bdmsfrizzell.pdf

Will leave it to Egb, lol...

Chris :)


Edits (if you saw Probate address, your Elias, then below looks to match)

02 December 1915 - Hull Daily Mail - Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire,

MISSING HULL SOLDIER.
Any information as to the whereabouts of Private George Eliassen, who was reported missing after the battle of Loos, will be gratefully received by his mother, Mrs Eliassen, 24, Pease street, Anlaby road, Hull.


29 June 1915 - Hull Daily Mail - Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, England

LETTERS TO EDITOR.
circulating these unpleasant rumours, to enable me to take proceedings against them. MRS ALLISON. 24, Pease-street, Hull.

(persons in neighbourhood victimising her for being German, she is stating that she is of Norwegian birth, and has resided in hull for 42yrs. Her only son at present is serving with West Yorkshire Regiment, and expected to go to the front at any time. She would be grateful if anybody would give her sufficient proof of person or persons circulating these unpleasant rumours. Her husband is and has been employed for the last nine years, by a local shipping firm, previous to this he was 21 years with Messrs. Wilson)


03 December 1915 - Hull Daily Mail - Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire,

(photo of George)

(Newspaper access from Find My Past, Genes, or below, all need subscriptions)

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/