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Kerensky what you've found is a website run by the Church of Later Day Saints. They came over and filmed parish records which were then put on the internet

Oh I see, so if these church records are correct it would appear Henry Frank Simms was not illegitimate as was previously thought but his father was actually Frank Simms?

This looks like the census for John Frank Henry but please bear in mind that I've come on this thread a long way down so I don't know if it's your ancestor


Name: John Frank Henry Simms
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Rugby
Civil Parish: Coventry
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County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 62 Godiva St Coventry
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: School
Registration district: Coventry
Registration District Number: 390
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 18512
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Simms 38
Ann Eliza Simms 30
Nellie May Simms 11
John Frank Henry Simms 10
Hilda Marion Simms 9
Bertha Elizabeth Simms 5
Alice Beatress Simms 4



EDIT I suspect that this is not your man

Hmmm yes this doesn't add up, I think you are right as my grandfather Harry Leonard Simms was born in 1914 so this can't be Frank Henry Simms. Thanks for clearing that up.

This could be him I think-


First Name FRANK HENRY
Last Name SIMMS
Birth Year 1892
Gender Male
Mother's Maiden Name
Year 1892
Country England
County Warwickshire
Event Quarter 3
District SHIPSTON ON STOUR
District Number
Volume 6D
Page 685
Entry Number
Line Number 58
DOR
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Collections from Great Britain

This is definitely the marriage details-


First Name FRANK H
Last Name SIMMS
Gender Male
Year 1914
Spouse ELIASSEN
Image Quarter 1
Country England
County Yorkshire
District HULL
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 9D
Page 438
Line Number 13
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Collections from Great Britain

Ah if this death registration is correct then it seems very likely that he is the very same Frank Henry Simms born in Shipston-on-Stour


First Name FRANK H
Last Name SIMMS
Gender Male
Year 1965
Birth Year 1892
Birth Month
Birth Day
District HULL
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 2A
Event Quarter 3
District Number
Page 275
Line Number 134
Entry Number
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
DOR
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Collections from Great Britain

However oddly no Mother's name listed on the birth registration for Frank H Simms on the 1892 birth register???

Mother's maiden name isn't listed on the registration until 1911. You'd be well advised to get Frank's marriage cert before you even think of doing any more. Hopefully this will give you a father's name and occupation then you can move on

Yes I have ordered several certificates from the GRO, oddly only the ones I ordered from the Scottish Register and Irish Register have landed and these have been very informative and confirmed my maternal Scottish roots are in fact Irish.

I can only assume English certificates take much longer to be processed.

First Name Frank Henry
Last Name Simms
Birth Year 1893
Age 18
Where Born Brials Warwick
Relationship To Head of Household Nephew
Gender Male
Condition Single
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation Shop Boy Furniture Dealer
Military Info
Address 1 Ediths Village Regent St
Parish Holy Trinity and St Mary
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (East Riding)
Country England
Ecclesiastical District
Enumeration District 15
Registration District Hull
Registration District Number 522
SubDistrict Number 2
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from Great Britain
Census Reference RG14PN28784 RG78PN1652 RD522 SD2 ED15 SN50
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 28784

Now that's confusing one record says he is born in 1892 and another 1893 and also different birth locations...two different Frank Henry Simms???

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Address 1 Ediths Village Regent St
Parish Holy Trinity and St Mary
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (East Riding)
Country England
Ecclesiastical District
Enumeration District 15
Registration District Hull
Registration District Number 522
SubDistrict Number 2
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name Ann
Last Name Simms
Birth Year 1851
Age 60
Where Born Carlton Yorks
Relationship To Head of Household Wife
Gender Female
Condition Married
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN28784 RG78PN1652 RD522 SD2 ED15 SN50
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 28784
Person 2
First Name Frank Henry
Last Name Simms
Birth Year 1893
Age 18
Where Born Brials Warwick
Relationship To Head of Household Nephew
Gender Male
Condition Single
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation Shop Boy Furniture Dealer
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN28784 RG78PN1652 RD522 SD2 ED15 SN50
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 28784
Person 3
First Name George
Last Name Simms
Birth Year 1856
Age 55
Where Born Brials Warwick
Relationship To Head of Household Head
Gender Male
Condition Married
Year Of Marriage 1891
Years Of Marriage 20
Occupation Labourer General
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN28784 RG78PN1652 RD522 SD2 ED15 SN50
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 28784

I guess once the marriage certificate lands i'll get the details to solve this one.

Don't forget it the age listed on the census not the year of birth. Census is usually taken in spring so someone born Sept 1892 will still be 8 when the 1901 is taken therefore show as born approx 1893

So tonight some certificates landed from the GRO and I appear to have made some startling discoveries. Great Grandad Frank Henry Simms did in fact marry in March 8th 1914 at the age of 20 and his father is listed as HARRY SIMMS deceased profession Baker. So I can only assume that the previous thought that Frank Henry may have been illegitimate was unfounded???

I also recieved my grandad Harry Leonard Simms death certificate born 4th Dec 1914 died 20th July 1993.

A surprising find was my Grandfather George Alexander Lever Frizzell's marriage certificate which shows he married Emily Nelson on the 21st December 1951. He is listed as a widower.

Perhaps the 1945 marriage already suggested on page 3 was George's first marriage:

1945 FRIZZELL GEORGE ALEXANDER
STEWART MARTHA
MILTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 0033


EDIT:

Here's Martha's death:

1949 FRIZZELL MARTHA
Other surname: STEWART
F 29 MILTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 0030

Don't know if they had children, but there are two possible births in Milton, 1948 and 1949.

Also one in 1947, spelled Frizzle, so not so likely.

Not posting them here as they are probably still alive, but you can easily look them up on ScotlandsPeople.

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Fascinating stuff ArgyllGran, must have been tough on Grandad george loosing his first wife at such an early point in his life.

Something still doesn't add up with great grandad Frank Henry Simms marriage certificate. His father is listed as Harry Simms and I think I can find Harry Simms here-

HARRY SIMMS
England & Wales births 1837-2006
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Warwickshire
Year
1862
Birth Year
1862
Event Quarter
2
District
SHIPSTON ON STOUR

But no apparent marriage records...

Kerensky the problem is, Frank Henry was brought up by his uncle George Simms who doesn't seem to have a brother named Harry.

I suspect that Frank's birth cert name Charlotte or Elizabeth Simms as his mother but I could be wrong