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John Yelland
mentioned in the record of John Yelland and Elizabeth Durant
Name: John Yelland
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Durant
Event Date: 09 Nov 1755
Event Place: Halwell By Holsworthy,Devon,England

i think this is william yelland's birth husband of susanna


William Yelland
England Births and Christenings
Name: William Yelland
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 1758
Christening Place: HALWELL BY HOLSWORTHY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Yelland
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

Susanna North
England Births and Christenings
Name: Susanna North
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Jul 1753
Christening Place: STOKE DAMEREL,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John North
Mother's Name: Eliz

William Yelland
England Births and Christenings
Name: William Yelland
gender:
Male
Wife: Susanna
Son: William Yelland
Other information in the record of William Yelland
from England Births and Christenings
Name: William Yelland
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 05 Jan 1779
Christening Place: STOKE DAMEREL,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Yelland
Mother's Name: Susanna

Name: William Yelland
Gender:
Male
Wife: Susanna
Son: John North Yelland
Other information in the record of John North Yelland
from England Births and Christenings
Name: John North Yelland
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Feb 1775
Christening Place: STOKE DAMEREL,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Yelland
Mother's Name: Susanna

William Yelland
mentioned in the record of Henry Yelland
Name: William Yelland
gender:
Male
Wife: Susanna
Son: Henry Yelland
Other information in the record of Henry Yelland
from England Births and Christenings
Name: Henry Yelland
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 12 Apr 1773
Christening Place: STOKE DAMEREL,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Yelland
Mother's Name: Susanna

William Yelland
mentioned in the record of William Yelland and Susanna North
Name: William Yelland
Spouse's Name: Susanna North
Event Date: 05 Apr 1772
Event Place: Stoke Damerel,Devon,England

Hi Malyon - Yes I think that will be him.- I have his birth down as 1779- haven;t tried to get any further back than that as Yelland is a common surname in that area so rather gave up as I was working only from census records and don;t know how to get further back.
Many thanks
Pat

is thjis william its in the plymouth area

William Yelland
England Births and Christenings
Name: William Yelland
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 05 Jan 1779
Christening Place: STOKE DAMEREL,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Yelland
Mother's Name: Susanna

Hi Argyll Gran -
I think this must be him and I reckon he was never really fit for war service - but I suppose they were running short of men by 1917-1918. I think he must have spent time in Hinchingbrooke House -(then used as a hospital) as some of his Post cards were from there and there is one of the War Memorial in Huntingdon. In one PC Annie shows a pic of a street in Huntingdon and says 'Jim' worked there as a young man - I am guessing, in the open air as he doesn't seem to have been very fit ! I do wish my late Mum hadn't been so ashamed of being illegit. ! and I have no-one left to ask now.
Thanks again

Pat

Where were the postcards posted? Both James's and Annie's?

Thanks Argyll Gran - I think you are right - that is all I have been able to trace of him - but I still can't find out where or when he died.
I am guessing he didn't live long after 1924 when the last postcard came. I suspect he met my Grandmother when she was a housemaid or in service to a General in Alford , Lincolnshire at some point.

Chris - yes thanks - I do have my Mother's birth details as you have printed for me - Thanks.

I've sidetracked again to James Brooker.

Where were James and Annie's postcards postmarked?

This is the only death I can see which would match re age, assuming birth in 1886, though the Army record seems to be the only thing suggesting that:

Deaths Sep 1939 (>99%)
Brooker James 53 Devizes 5a 135

There are no deaths for a James Brooker in Northamptonshire 1922-50, per FreeBMD.


Another VERY long shot -

There is this James Brooker with mother Annie - he's listed as Marks, but a correction says he was born Brooker, and his mother remarried:

James Marks
in the 1891 England Census
Name: James Marks
[James Brooker]
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Son (Child)
Father's name: James Marks
Mother's name: Annie Marks
Gender: Male
Where born: Ditton, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Burham
Ecclesiastical parish: Virgin Mary
Town: Burham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Malling
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 668
Folio: 114
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
James Marks 22
Annie Marks 22
James Marks 2
John Marks 5/12


James Brooker
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James Brooker
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ditton, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Burham
Ecclesiastical parish: Burham St Mary the Virgin
Town: Burham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Malling
Sub-registration district: Aylesford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 741
Folio: 107
Page Number: 44
Household schedule number: 242
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Hartshorn 58
Mary Hartshorn 62
William Edwards 28
Alice Hartshorn 18
James Brooker 12



James Marks
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Marks - clearly Brooker on image. All other children are Marks.
[James Brooker]
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ditton, Kent
Civil Parish: Aylesford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Varnes Street, Eccles, Aylesford, Kent
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Cement Laborer
Registration district: Malling
Registration District Number: 48
Sub-registration district: Aylesford
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 200
Piece: 3965
Household Members:
Name Age
James Marks 43
Annie Marks 44
James Marks 22
John Marks 20
Frederick Marks 18
Ernest Marks 16
Charlotte Marks 13
Alice Marks 8
Thomas Marks 10
Martha Marks 6
Sidney Marks 4


This would be his birth:

Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
Brooker James Alfred Malling 2a 613

Parents' marriage (per the correction on Ancestry) - William Edwards listed as son of the Hartshorn grandparents in 1901, and presumably a brother of Annie.
Marriages Dec 1885 (>99%)
Brooker William Malling 2a 959
Edwards Annie Malling 2a 959

As Ann was born in Kent, per censuses, I guess this is William & Ann's marriage:

William Yelland
mentioned in the record of William Yelland and Ann Castle
Name: William Yelland
Spouse's Name: Ann Castle
Event Date: 26 Sep 1802
Event Place: Saint John,Eltham,Kent,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M06782-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 307730, 307731


I wondered if perhaps Edward had been born before their marriage and would be listed under Castle, but can't see him as either Castle or Yelland.

Re James Brooker - long shot - this one's a hawker (as in Army record) and unmarried, living in a boarding house. Also in London area - he joined up in Whitchapel. YOB a bit out:


James Brooker
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Brooker
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tooting, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Wimbledon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 42 High Street, Merton Wimbledon, Surrey
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Hawker
Registration district: Kingston
Registration District Number: 40
Sub-registration district: Wimbledon
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household schedule number: 20
Piece: 3487

Hi all
The Brooker side doesn't really make sense as yet ? I don't honestly think James was married - he intended (alledgedly) to marry my Grandmother when the war was over but was too ill ? I have postcards from him as late as 1923 ? His postcards are lovely and nearly all of Huntingdon. Postcards from Annie too who refers to James as 'our dear boy' ?

Back to the Yellands- I have been drawing up a tree' yet again and am a little confused.
Can anyone tell me the names and number of children that William b1779and Anne b 1780had - I have 3 from the info you have given me - but nowhere does my Ancestor Edward- born 1802 appear ?

I have now sorted out Edward (1802)and Ruths (1794) family 4 children? Eliz. Ann, Emma, Edward and JOHN - my Great Great Grandfather.

I have got a bit confused I am afraid - what's new !

Sorry to be such a nuisance - but I am so grateful for the help you have already given me.
Pat

Assuming this is the military record Patricia mentions, it doesn't sound as if the James Brooker in 1911 (posted by Chris) can be him - (sorry, Chris, I'm doing it again!)


James Brooker
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: James Brooker
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1886
Age: 32
Document Year: 1918
Residence Place: Y M C A, Camberwell Green, London S E
Regimental Number: 210400
Regiment Name: Labour Corps
Form Title: Proceedings on Discharge
Number of Images: 11
Name Relation to Soldier
James Brooker Self (Head)


Enlisted 26/07/1917 at Whitechapel
Served: France 10/10/1917 - 17/11/1917
Discharged: Nottingham 13/08/1918 - Physically unfit.
5' 3" tall
Fair complexion; blue eyes; brown hair
Former trade: hawker. <<<<<<<<<<
Character: Honest & hardworking
Disability aggravated by MS.
Facts of disability: Out of 13 months service he has spent 4 months in different hospitals with bronchitis and emphysema.
Origin of disability: childhood

No mention of a wife.

I'm surprised they accepted him for the Army in the first place!

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Saleby
Church St Margaret
RegisterNumber 528
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 09 Aug 1918
Forename Jane Houghton Brooker
FatherForename
MotherForename Jane Ewart
FatherSurname
MotherSurname BOURHILL
Abode Thoresthorpe

(you probably have above)


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

(no idea on below!)

1911 (Find My Past)
James Brooker Head Married Male Coachman Domestic 28 1883 Wrestlingworth Beds
Annie Brooker Wife Married Female - 28 1883 Papworth St Agnes Cambs
David James Brooker Son - Male - 7 1904 Papworth St Agnes Cambs
Address 38 Great Northern Street Huntingdon
Parish Huntingdon
Census reference RG14 PN8754 RG78 PN456 RD171 SD4 ED3 SN258


Deaths Mar 1962 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
BROOKER James 79 Huntingdon 4b 464


Deaths Jun 1963 (>99%)
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BROOKER ANNIE 80 HUNTINGDON 4B 333


Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
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BROOKER James Caxton 3b 977
FOX Annie Caxton 3b 977


Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920 (Ancestry)

James Brooker
B299272 Hunts Cyclists 290271
(Enlistment. 25/1/15 Discharge 1/1/19 Served Overseas. Yes)

Many thanks again - I have been trying to do this for some years and I have an even more difficult one - the last link I am trying to find -- to find records of my Mother's Father - a James Brooker -who possibly came from around Huntingdonshire or London. My Mother was illegitimate - born 1918 in Louth -Lincolnshire - her mother was Jane Ewart Reid Bourhill from Midlothian - Lasswade in Scotland - but she appeared to be working as a servant to an Army General in Alford Lincolnshire. Both Jane and James were born around 1886, James was possibly a gardener or similar and worked for a while as a young man in Hungtingdon.
His Mother- or sister was Annie.

There is 'Houghton' in my Mothers name - Jane Houghton Brooker Bourhill - so perhaps James and Jane met if they were working at Houghton Hall - East Anglia ? No idea really.
He enlisted for the war - 1914 I think - possibly Labour corps - and I did find charred records of him in the army on the internet. BUT he was not fit (emphysema)and was sent home after 2 weeks in France where my Mother was told he was gassed wi h mustard gas.

He was aware of my Mothers birth in 1918 and I have postcards from him saying how delighted he was and hoped to see her soon etc. etc. The postcards stopped in 1923 and I have no idea where or when he died or is buried. In those days illegitimacy was a real stigma and if my Mother knew any more about him she never said.. I think he may have spent some time in Hinchingbrooke H ouse which was used as a hospital in the 1st war - and I asked but there appear to be no records. -Huntingdon again. I would love to have known about him- and where and when he died. but have tried for nearly 20 years to find out more, without any success. i don;t know if he ever got to Scotland or met my Mother etc all but it was said he sent money etc and set my grandmother up with enough to buy a little shop. She died when my Mother was 12 - and so maybe she knew little about him.

Any help again - more than welcome.
Thanks again for all the time you have spent on the Yelland side.

Pat

Burial
County Northamptonshire
Place Harlestone
Church St Andrew
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 29 Jul 1880
Forename John
Surname YELLAND
Age 51
Abode Harlestone
Notes buried in East J 6; Master of Harlestone National School for 27 years & a stone was erected in his memory in the churchyard by public subscription


(above from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)


Baptism
County Kent
Place Woolwich
Church St Mary Magdalene
RegisterNumber 154
DateOfBirth 03 Jul 1823
BaptismDate 10 Sep 1823
Forename Harriet
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname YELLAND
Abode Church Hill
FatherOccupation Ship Wright


County Kent
Place Woolwich
Church St Mary Magdalene
RegisterNumber 809
DateOfBirth 02 Feb 1817
BaptismDate 26 Feb 1817
Forename Mercy
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname YELLAND
Abode Church Street
FatherOccupation Victualler