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Jacqueline/Shirley
Thank you both for your help, I am only telling you what I've been told! I've been doing my tree for 15 years, and I realise some of what your saying but I live in Cornwall and I'm speaking to a relative in Birmingham and the area we talking about is in Wales! I am only telling you what she has told me and question some of the details myself! I have e-mailed her today and yesterday, no reply so far! She has no printer/scanner and posted me some of the info. I have here?

English/Welsh certs don't name mothers - the only way she could be on her son's is as a witness

So!!! How about looking sideways at her siblings

Their descendent may know some family history stories handed down

Some stories need sifting out, I know I got led off a wild gooses chase in my own handed down stories ,BUT some can check out

this is the marriage

Marriages Dec 1947
Davies Marian Morgan Ystradgynlais 8a 191
Morgan David T Davies Ystradgynlais 8a 191

I was looking for him as David T A Morgan

SOOO if lizzie is on the cert it would seem she was at the wedding ??

Thank you both, Thinking now maybe Lizzie's marriage was under Davies???

Shirley
This is all I know, David Thomas Morgan married Marian Davies on December 27th 1947 at Ty'nycoed Chapel, Abercrave, Swansea? Have not seen the certificate, thats just the info. received from their daughter.

When did David marry?

You say Lizzie is on the cert so what surname was she

Shirley
As far as I know she was never in Birmingham. We think that she married and had other children but have no proof. It looks like her illegitimate son was deliberately kept away from her funeral in the 1950's.

They found the sons marriage cert with Lizzie on it !!

So what surname was she using

Jacqueline/Shirley
Do really appreciate both your help. The illegitimate son of Lizzie knew her as his sister and not his mother and was in Birmingham when she died in the 1950's, we only have the date from the bible that she married someone? on August 8th 1927? So after she has the illegitimate child in the workhouse, we lose track of her?

So did she die in Birmingham ?

Did she have other children ?

So she was still in Neath in 1920's

Wondering now about the marriage I posted but deleted as it wasn't 1927

Marriages Sep 1929
Morgan Rachel A Lewis Newport M 11a 519
Lewis William E

BUT she is a Rachel A not Rachel E

They moved to Birmingham, they weren't told that Lizzie had died until after the funeral, the illegitimate son was fuming about this (they obviously wanted to keep him a secret) and he never wanted his daughter to know the truth, but she found her parents marriage certificate with Lizzie on it!

Thanks..............although the name wasn't necessary.

I only wanted to get an idea of where she was...........and when.

If he thought his mother was his sister, he must have known the family............

David Thomas Aubrey Morgan August 1923 Neath work house

Jacqueline
Sorry, will look up illegitimate sons details now, but its after that we can't find out what happened?

I copied and pasted the 1901 census so it's as per the census page and it's the transcription

I doubt that Shirley would post incomplete info

BTW........note that John says he's MARRIED in 1901

Any chance of an answer to my question about the son?

I just found her on 1911 census aged 10, haven't checked 1901 yet, got a funny feeling, they hid her as they weren't married!

Lizzie should be on the 1901 census, guessing some of the above post is missing?