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Has any one ever got a copy of William and Margarets marriage ????
if so what are the details of parents as stated on it. and occupations


from the ages of some of the George Carters found I can see that the George and Elizabeth could be grandparents !! not parents.

the William Carter 1854 son of William and Emma is still about in 1881 so not him

Mavis

Thank you all for your input Still no breakthrough..Back to the drawing board..LOL. :-S :-S :-(

Thankyou Mavis..I have got original M.C of William and Margaret and all info is from that...

You haven't told us the EXACT info from the MC.

As has been said before, there is NO record of a marriage for the people you say were named as William's parents.

This is something you can easily check yourself, by looking at freebmd

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

if you have the Marriage cert then please - please - share the details so we know
what to look for a bit better ...

Occupation of " George " would be of great help

Mavis

I must have posted in the wrong place.No more answers..Please advise.. :-( :-D

BRICKMACKER/MOULDER/SETTER are given as occupations of both men.

(taken from below query, google search)

http://www.familytreecircles.com/looking-for-carters-bricklayers-of-leicestershire-54204.html


(and another from somebody)


I know William and Margaret married straight off the Northhampton N.S.W. in 1879.ST. Augstines Church Balmain.
On M.cert. Wm.and George are Brickmoulders/pointers/layers.,from leistershire,U.K.
Margaret B. 1856 Tipperary Irld. I have come up with blanks in U.K.and Irland and with no living relatives that I know of I dont know where to go next. Hoping anyone can give the tiniest bit of information, it will lead to others with same interest.
I have 1840 for Georges' B but this is incompatable with Wms. B in 1854??
Wm. and Margarets' first child was George Henry B 1880 at Geelong Vict . 3 others inc. Thomas patrick B. Hawthorn Vict.


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Chris :)

(no idea on below!)

1851 (Find My Past)
George Carter Head Married Male 36 1815 Brickmaker Leicestershire, England
Jane Carter Wife Married Female 30 1821 Chair Women Leicestershire, England
George Carter Son - Male 11 1840 Brick Yard Boy Leicestershire, England
Elizabeth Carter Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Leicestershire, England
Isabella Carter Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Leicestershire, England
William Carter Son - Male 2 1849 Scholar Leicestershire, England
House name Jones Yard
Street Grange Lane
Parish St Marys
City Leiceser
County Leicestershire
Parliamentary borough Leicester
Municipal ward St Mary
Registration district Leicester
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2090
Folio 618
Page 10

Lets see if this helps -- If George 1840 and William 1854 arrived together
in Australia -- I believe they are brothers from the 1851 Census Chis put
up above -- William looks to have taken 5y of his age to appear younger

Did George arrive with wife Harriet -- from 1861


Name:
George Carter

Age:
21

Estimated birth year:
1840

Relation:
Head

Spouse's Name:
Harriet Carter

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish:
Leicester All Saints

Ecclesiastical parish:
All Saints

Town:
Leicester

County/Island:
Leicestershire

Registration district:
Leicester

Sub-registration district:
West Leicester

Household schedule number:
49

Piece:
2296

Folio:
110

Page Number:
6

George Carter 21
Harriet Carter 21
Jane Carter 2/12

George Carter = Harriet Bannister Mar Q 1861 Leicester

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1871 Census 22 Leadenhall St. Leicester

William Carter 22y 1849 Brick Layer Leicestershire
Fanny Carter 21y 1850 ----------------- Belgrave
Elizabeth A Carter 1 mth 1871 --------- Leicestershire

William Carter = Frances/Fanny Carr Sep Q 1870 Leicester

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there is another William and Fanny Carter in Loughborough they = 1871 she is Fanny Smith -- Williams mother is Elizabeth unm 1824 daug of Robert and
Catherine Carter.

there are no deaths between 1871 and 1881 for Frances/Fanny Carter or Elizabeth
Ann Carter that I could see --- could they have died on the ship ??????

still needs more investigation to make sure we may be on the right track

anyone else got any ideas

Mavis

Until the poster gives us the FULL details from the marriage cert...............it's all speculative

It shouldn't be too onerous to look for the father's name and occupation

Jacqueline have a look at the items Chris found -- informative details of marriage

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George and Harriet 1871


Name:
George Carter

Age:
29

Estimated birth year:
abt 1842

Relation:
Head

Spouse's Name:
Harriet Carter

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish:
St Margaret

Ecclesiastical parish:
St Matthew

Town:
Leicester

County/Island:
Leicestershire

Sub-registration district:
East Leicester

ED, institution, or vessel:
42

Household schedule number:
164

Piece:
3274

Folio:
35

Page Number:
31

George Carter 29
Harriet Carter 30
Anthony Carter 3
Sylicia Carter 1
George Carter 6

not found George / Harriet or William / Fanny Carter's 1881

Mavis

George Carter = Jane Sweett Jun Q 1839 Leicester 15 143

William seems to have got his mothers first name wrong ??

Mavis

Sorry Mavis and all.I dont know where to find you.Thanks for your help.. :-S :-S :-S

We're HERE

What do you mean you 'don't know where to 'find' us'?

Hello again you tireless people.Is there any way I can send copies of my M.C and shipping records for you to look at yourselves?Some of this info is correct. MAVIS you are right in saying William could have got his mums name wrong.I dont know if George cam out here .Definatly not together on same ship.Mavis ,what are the numbers after this entry? The occupation of George on Williams MC is BrickMoulder..William was Brickmaker? George was born in 1840 according to a record my uncle did from LDS years ago...I have been trying to get this right on and off for years.....Thank You All :-( :-( :-( :-(

this is George Carter's marriage Williams Father

St Marys 16th May 1839

George Carter 21y Brick maker - Grange Lane - fath. William Carter - F W Knitter
Jane Sweett 20y --------------- Oxford St. -- fath. Thomas Sweett - F W Knitter
both signed X witnesses James and Sarah Sweett

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William was married --he took 5y of his age when he married in Australia
he was baptised 6th Dec 1848 Leicester.

17th July 1870 St Margarets
William Carter 22y Brick maker - Caroline St. fath. George Carter - Brick maker
Fanny Carr 21y -------------------- Navigation St. fath.Robert Carr - F W Knitter
both signed X witt. Leonard and Elizabeth Wesson [Weston] both X
Elizabeth is William's sister - she = in 1861

Found Fanny in 1891

Name: Fanny Carter

Address: Leicester Borough Lunatic Asylum ... Parish: West Humberstone... Area: Billesdon... Age: 42... Born In: 1849... Relation: Patient... Profession: Domestic Work... not known where she was born -- think she died not long after this

they had a daughter Elizabeth Ann born beginning of 1871 might have found a couple of Elizabeths in 1881 as visitors to family's ---- not yet found Fanny in 1881.

there is another William and Fanny Carter in Loughborough which a lot of people have taken to be the same couple but she was Fanny Smith they make confectionery not bricks. it is confusing because they also have a Elizabeth A but she was born 1874

is this enough for you to believe I have the right William. ???

Mavis

Hello Mavis..This sounds feasable..Is there a Divorce for William and Fanny? My information had George and Elizabeth/Jane having William when George was 14yo.Also that William was only child. So his sister Elisabeth is anew one to me. But then it is all new to me..I even think I have a printout of George and Jane in my folder..How does one find people in asylums..Thank you so much for this..Now I can work on Carters in Australia as they travel from Sydney to Geelong in Victoria..Another trial..Also Margarets Irish history of Higgins..Keep up the good work.. Jennifer

This is George and Jane Carter 1851

Grange Lane - Jones Yard

George Carter 36y Brick maker Leicester
Jane Carter 30y -------------------- "
George Carter 11y Brickyard boy "
Elizabeth Carter 8y ------------------ "
Isabella Carter 6y -------------------- "
William Carter 2y -------------------- "

as you can see the George born 1840 is Williams brother not his father

George Carter born 1840 married Harriett Bannister March 1861
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George and Jane Carter 1861
47 Grange Lane Leicester - St Mary

George Carter 46y Bricklayer labourer Leicester
Jane Carter 42 y ----------------------------- "
Elizabeth Carter 10y [18?] Worcester factory worker "
Isabella Carter 15y ----- " " " "
William Carter 13y Bricklayer labourer ----------------- "
Jane Carter 10y Scholar ---------------------------------- "
Thomas Carter 7y " -------------------------------------- "
Emma Carter 5y " -------------------------------------- "

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there is no divorce for William - to expensive -- he was a bigamist
in Australia -- I expect he didn't think he would be found out so far away !!


Mavis

Wow that is amazing Mavis..I have actually got a copy from I G I for William B1848 to George and Jane .I dismissed it because of the date of Williams birth. Is there anything on his brothers and sisters ? :-0 :-0 That means I have more Relatives to find. If I ordered Williams BC would I get the right one??How can I find out what happened to Fanny ??Arn,t you sorry you answered this query... I hope not..LOL :-D :-D :-D

this is the other William Carter with mother Elizabeth who also
married a Fanny [ Smith ] in 1871 Loughborough.

1851


Baxter Gate

Parish
Loughborough

Registration District
Loughborough

Image Reference
HO107/2085/~F294


William Carter 60 1791 Male Head Loughborough, Leicestershire Fish Monger & Pensioner
Catherine Carter 50 1801 Female Wife Loughborough, Leicestershire
Elizabeth Carter 21 1830 Female Daughter Loughborough, Leicestershire
William Carter 17 1834 Male Son Loughborough, Leicestershire Fish Monger
James Carter 5 1846 Male Son Loughborough, Leicestershire
>>>>>William Carter 3 1848 Male Grand Son Loughborough, Leicestershire
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I have written details of some of Williams brothers and sisters marriages but
a lot of details on your Carter family are in Ancestry -- but be careful because
a lot of people that have William and Fanny in their trees but because they are not found 1881 census they have taken up with the William and Fanny in Loughborough which you can see are not George and Jane Carter's William

There is no saying if William has a birth cert. ??

I shall have another look to see if I can find Fanny 1881 she must be some where

Mavis

What I believe to be Fanny Carter 1881

Name: F C

Address: Leicester Borough Lunatic Asylum ... Parish: Humberstone... Area: Billesdon... Age: 32... Born In: 1849... Birth Place: N K... Relation: Patient... Profession: Domestic Work...

Mavis