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Hello SylvaininCanada.
An interesting point. It would explain why I am having problems tracing her.

I wonder if what we have is a case of a man wanting an heir??

That, in fact, he did not marry Clarissa, but came to some sort of "common-law" arrangement with her about her having a son for him?

further to my last reply it does say formerly Fisher.

sorry i put her names in the incorrect order.

I wondered if James had gone to the States and found Clarissa, but there is no record of his having travelled

Oops........... I see now that Sylvia had already looked for incoming records, without success.

What else does the birth cert say?

We need ALL the info

just checking - so her names were in different order?

C M O Buckle

rather than

C O M Buckle

?

and it gives her former name as Fisher?

According to birth certificate Thomas George Buckle is the son of Clarissa Millicent Olivia Buckle.

I have ordered the birth certificate for Thomas George Buckle to find out if Clarissa Olivia Millicent Buckle is his mother.

This is probably Thomas's death and gives the birth date

Name: Thomas George Buckle
Birth Date: 13 May 1903
Date of Registration: Sep 1978
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: East Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 0093

The only way to find out if Thomas George is her son would be to buy the birth certificate

Jude

still searching for Clarissa Olivia Millicent Buckle. Trying to find out if Thomas George Buckle is her son.

I can not find any wills for James or Sarah Buckle. Have found a Clarissa Fisher in USA census for 1880. She was born about 1878 in Grayson, Virginia which is not too many miles from Huntington Virginia. Cannot find her in USA 1890 census as it was destroyed in a fire. Can find no reference to either James visiting the USA or Clarissa visiting the UK. Will keep trying to find more references to Clarissa. Thanks for your help. David

Of course the enumerator may have made a spelling mistake but in the one census she is found she declares her borthplace to be HuntingTon (not Don)...the only England village is in York.

So there may be something in the USA connection.....and let's face it Clarissa Olivia Millicent is very American

Jude

this has got to be her

Births Dec 1877
BILLINGS Clarisse Olivia M Lambeth 1d 463

oh no! Did somebody try her already?

Deaths Jun 1879
Billings Clarisse Oliva M 1 Lambeth 1d 291

can anybody figure this person out?

... never mind, I finally did

1911 census

Name: Carila Millicent Gaynor
[Clarice Millicent Gaynor] corrected by Ancestry user in 2014
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Birth Place: Folkestone
Civil Parish: Plymouth
County/Island: Devon
Street address: 3 Bounds Place, Millbay, Plymouth
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Private Means
Registration district: Plymouth

Born Attrill 1876, mother married Emerson, Emerson in 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses ... appears as Gaynor in 1911 census (but no idea how or why that name), marries Powell as Gaynor in 1914 and has one child

Clarice Millicent Attrill Emerson Gaynor Powell, the person with the closest name & details I could find, has been eliminated

Did either James George or his first wife Sarah Anne leave a will?

I've been looking on ancestry and can't see them shown under probate.

first marriage of james buckle

Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%)
BUCKLE James George Pancras 1b 11
HAWKINS Sarah Anne Pancras 1b 11

loving a puzzle ... :-)

just wanting to check ... daughter Olivia Millicent's birth certificate gives mother's name as Clarissa Olivia Millicent Buckle formerly Fisher?

technically that would make Fisher her birth name ... if she had been previously married there would be a "late Smith" sort of entry ... unless, of course, she was still married and fudging it!

also wondering whether the birth certificate for the son has been obtained

Births Jun 1903
Buckle Thomas George Kingston 2a 387

to verify the mother's information there

Thank you to everyone who has tried to answer my conundrum. You have all found the same information as me. James George Buckle first wife did die in 1896. If my Grandmothers birth certificate is correct and he did marry again I am assuming that it was between 1896 and 1900 although I am beginning to believe that he did not marry for a second time. Thanks again for your input.

David