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Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	16 Jan 2018 15:27
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Nudged up for Maria.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 95 Send Message	Maria	Report	9 Jun 2015 18:35
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 95 Send Message	Thanks SAFC for your help and thanks to alviegal omg you have now sat the cat among the pigeons. Where do i start. John and Ann who married are both called Sutton that is going to be a nightmare i'm confused already. In one of the 1881 census you have Richard sutton Married but you found out that he was widowed before that. Im sure the John Sutter born in 1834 the naughty one is him but why Dorset. Noticed the EDWIN and ALFRED died as infants thats why didn't recognise names. All the names on 1841 census is amazing thanks Do you think the John born in 1800's birth keeps changing is this quite common? The Alice Holland b1790.who is that as I have an Alice Holland Sutton born in 1858 to John and Ann Sutton. THanks again you must be exhausted now. I have been looking for years my grandad was illigitimate but we have found his BC in 2007 and we now know his real name B1909 I can now trace his real fathers family to 1790's but cannot move forward as the last info i have on him is 1911 census. then he vanished rumour has it that he died in about 1940-50. (my grandads real dad) Long story but if you can help would appreciate you investigative skills. Regards Maria
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	9 Jun 2015 16:08
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Ann with her family. 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Speke, Childwall, Prescot, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Allice Sutton Female 50 1791 Lancashire, England Transcription Elizebeth Sutton Female 21 1820 Lancashire, England Transcription John Sutton Male 17 1824 Lancashire, England Transcription Thomas Sutton Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England Transcription Ellen Sutton Female 13 1828 Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Sutton Female 11 1830 Lancashire, England Transcription Richard Sutton Male 9 1832 Lancashire, England Transcription William Penington Male 27 1814 Lancashire, England Transcription Catharine Penington Female 23 1818 Lancashire, England 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Gold Field Farm, Speke, Prescot, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Alice Sutton Head Widow Female 60 1791 Farmer Aughton, Lancashire, England Transcription John Sutton Son Unmarried Male 27 1824 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1830 Daughter Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription Richard Sutton Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription Richard Wyke Servant - Male 14 1837 House Servant Childwall, Lancashire, England and her 2 brothers in 1861. 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Carr Lane, Speke, Prescot, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Sutton Head Married Male 37 1824 Farmer Of 41 Acres Employing 3 Labourer And 1 Boy Speke, Lancashire, England Transcription Ellenor Sutton Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Lancaster, Lancashire, England Transcription Richard Sutton Son (reads son but is obviously brother)... Male 29 1832 - Speke, Lancashire, England Transcription Margaret Leadbetter Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 House Servant Speke, Lancashire, England Transcription George Trueman Servant Unmarried Male 18 1843 Farm Servant Speke, Lancashire, England Transcription Joseph Crosby Nephew - Male 12 1849 Scholar Holme, Westmorland, England Transcription Henry Crosby Nephew - Male 8 1853 Scholar Holme, Westmorland, England A trre on ancestry has this for her parents. Alice Holland Birth 1790 in Formby, Lancashire, England Death 3 November 1854 in Lancashire, United Kingdom Richard Sutton Birth 05 JUN 1787 in Details: Baptisms: 5 Jun 1787 St Andrew, Maghull, Lancashire, England Richard Sutton - Son of John Sutton & Elizth. Register: Baptisms 1776 - 1812, Page 103, Entry 8 Source: LDS Film 1849659/Maghull, Lancashire, England Death 1831 in Burial: 23 May 1831 St Thomas, Melling, Lancashire, England Richard Sutton - Age: 44 yrs Abode: Speke Buried by: Jas.Barnes Register: Burials 1813 - 1836, Page 74, Entry 586
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	9 Jun 2015 15:53
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	This appears to be John with his parents. What a big family!! 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Speke, Childwall, Prescot, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place John Satten Male 35 1806 Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Satten Female 30 1811 Lancashire, England Transcription James Satten Male 11 1830 Lancashire, England Transcription Mary Satten Female 9 1832 Lancashire, England Transcription John Satten Male 7 1834 Lancashire, England Transcription Thomas Satten Male 6 1835 Lancashire, England Transcription William Satten Male 5 1836 Lancashire, England Transcription Robert Satten Male 4 1837 Lancashire, England Transcription Catharine Satten Female 2 1839 Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Satten Female 1 1840 Lancashire, England Transcription Margery Blundell Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Dam Wood Farm, Speke, Prescot, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Sutton Head Married Male 47 1804 Farmer Halsall, Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Sutton Wife Married Female 43 1808 Farmer Wife Halsall, Lancashire, England Transcription James Sutton Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Farmer Son Halsall, Lancashire, England Transcription Mary Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 Farmer Daughter Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription John Sutton Son - Male 17 1834 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription Thomas Sutton Son - Male 16 1835 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription William Sutton Son - Male 15 1836 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription Robert Sutton Son - Male 15 1836 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription Catharine Sutton Daughter - Female 12 1839 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Sutton Daughter - Female 11 1840 Scholar Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription Ellen Sutton Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription Charles Sutton Son - Male 3 1848 Scholar Childwall, Lancashire, England Transcription Alice Sutton Daughter - Female 1 1850 Scholar Childwall, Lancashire, England And 1861 when John has left. 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Speke Town Lane, Speke, Prescot, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Sutton Head Married Male 58 1803 Farmers 36 Acres Maghull, Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Sutton Wife Married Female 54 1807 Farmers Wife Lancashire, England Transcription William Sutton Son Unmarried Male 25 1836 Farmers Son Speke, Lancashire, England Transcription Robert Sutton Son Unmarried Male 23 1838 Farmers Son Speke, Lancashire, England Transcription Catharine Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 Farmers Daughter Speke, Lancashire, England Transcription Annie Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 Farmers Daughter Speke, Lancashire, England Transcription Ellen Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 Farmers Daughter Speke, Lancashire, England Transcription Charles Sutton Son Unmarried Male 13 1848 Farmers Son Speke, Lancashire, England Transcription Alice Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1850 Scholar Speke, Lancashire, England Transcription Annie Sutton Granddaughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 Scholar Speke, Lancashire, England
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	9 Jun 2015 15:20
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Name: Edwin Sutton Gender: Male Birth Date: 6 Sep 1862 Birth Place: Soho St, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Baptism Date: 23 Sep 1862 Baptism Place: St Peter's C of E, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: John Sutton Mother: Ann Sutton FHL Film Number: 1656562 Name: Edwin Sutton Death: Oct 1862 - Liverpool, Lancashire Name: John Sultan (Sutton) Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1856 Parish: Liverpool, St Peter Father's name: John Sultan, grrengrocer Mother's name: Ann Sultan Reference Number: 283 PET/2/44 Name: Alfred Sutton Birth Date: 15 Oct 1859 Baptism Date: 2 Nov 1859 Parish: Liverpool, St Peter Father's name: John Sutton, provision dealer of Everton Mother's name: Ann Sutton Reference Number: 283 PET/2/48 ?? Name: Alfred Sutton Death: Oct 1859 - West Derby, Lancashire Name: Richard Sutton Birth Date: 26 Sep 1860 Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1860 Parish: Liverpool, St Peter Father's name: John Sutton, provision dealer of John St Mother's name: Ann Sutton Reference Number: 283 PET/2/49 Name: Annie Sutton Birth Date: 27 Aug 1863 Baptism Date: 9 Sep 1863 Parish: Liverpool, St Peter Father's name: John Sutton, agent of Everton Mother's name: Ann Sutton Reference Number: 283 PET/2/54 Name: Elizabeth Sutton Mother: Ann Sutton Father: John Sutton, coal agent of Kensington Birth: 1 Nov 1865 Baptism: 20 Nov 1865 - Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire Reference Number: 283 PET/2/58 Name: Amelia Pilkington Sutton Birth Date: 3 Nov 1867 Baptism Date: 21 Nov 1867 Parish: Liverpool, St Peter Father's name: John Sutton, agent of Kensington Mother's name: Ann Sutton Reference Number: 283 PET/2/61 Name: William Sutton Birth Date: 23 Jan 1870 Baptism Date: 17 Feb 1870 Parish: Liverpool, St Peter Father's name: John Sutton, coal dealer of Kensington Mother's name: Ann Sutton Reference Number: 283 PET/2/64
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	9 Jun 2015 15:02
	1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 22, Hodder Street, Everton, West Derby, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas A Smith Head Married Male 23 1858 Hostler (Groom N D) Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Alice Smith Wife Married Female 23 1858 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Alfred Smith Son Single Male 2 1879 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Jane Smith Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Amelia Sutton Sister In Law Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription William Sutton Brother In Law Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	9 Jun 2015 14:43
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Oh dear, is this John in 1881? 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Learn more Print transcription View image Attach to tree First name(s) John Last name Sutton Relationship Convict Marital status Married Gender Male Age 46 Birth year 1835 Occupation Coal Agent Birth town - Birth town as transcribed SPEAKE Birth county Lancashire Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE Birth place England House name Her Majestys Convict Prison Street Portland Dorset Town - Parish Portland County Dorset Country England Registration district Weymouth Archive reference RG11 Piece number 2108 Folio 57 Which may fit in with this. Home Office: Calendar of prisons Transcription Learn more Print transcription View image Attach to tree First name(s) John Last name Sutton Age 41 Occupation Labourer Birth year 1836 Year 1877 Session commencing day 19 Session commencing month Oct Place Lancashire Court Liverpool Victim's first name(s)/alias Bridget Victim's last name Murphy Victim 2 first name(s)/alias Ann Victim 2 last name Rowen Source A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace Series HO140 Piece number 38 Convicted of fraudulently obtaining a shilling from both victims. Had previously, in 1874, been sentenced to 4 months for fraud. Now sentenced to 15 months H.L with 7 years supervision P.C.A. Name: John Sutton Date of Trial: 20 Mar 1874 Trial Year: 1874 Location of Trial: Lancashire, England Sentence: Imprisonment for 4 months Crime: fraud Date of Execution or Release: See Image This may be how he ended up in Dorset. Name: John Sutton Date of Trial: 15 Apr 1879 Trial Year: 1879 Location of Trial: Lancashire, England Sentence: Imprisonment Crime: See Image Date of Execution or Release: See Image He was accused of fraud before being convicted for the crime. Sentenced to 5 years of penal servitude and 7 years police supervision. There are a good many records for John Suttons in Lancs. Most of them are for fraud and larceny so most probably not all the same person. There is one for a John who tried to 'unlawfully kill and murder himself' in 1887 for which he got 4 days in jail. That is terribly sad.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	9 Jun 2015 14:32
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Death of Ann? First name(s) ANN Last name SUTTON Gender Female Birth year 1832 Age 39 Death quarter 3 Death year 1871 District WEST DERBY County Lancashire Volume 8B Page 335
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	9 Jun 2015 14:24
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Looking at the 1861 census, they are living on Soho Street, same as the marriage I posted. So was John a carter, turned greengrocer? In 1871, he is a widower and a coal agent.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	9 Jun 2015 14:16
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	The census records have John 1835 born in Speke, Lancs.
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	9 Jun 2015 14:15
	Name: William Sutton Birth Date: 1870 Birthplace: Age: 23 Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Taylor Spouse's Birth Date: 1873 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 20 Event Date: 02 Apr 1893 Event Place: St Mary Kirkdale, Walton On The Hill, Lancaster, England Father's Name: John Sutton Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Daniel Taylor Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01180-0 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1545940 Reference ID: it275, pg3, no6 Citing this Record: "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFXT-YFL : accessed 9 June 2015), William Sutton and Elizabeth Taylor, 02 Apr 1893; citing St Mary Kirkdale, Walton On The Hill, Lancaster, England, reference it275, pg3, no6; FHL microfilm 1,545,940.
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Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	9 Jun 2015 14:14
	Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1893 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference SUTTON William TAYLOR Elizabeth Kirkdale, St. Mary Liverpool 2013WD/15/6
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	England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription Print transcription Attach to tree First name(s) Alice Holland Last name Sutton Gender Female Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1858 Baptism date 04 Apr 1858 Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England Place Liverpool County Lancashire Country England Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Sutton Mother's first name(s) Ann Mother's last name Sutton Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
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Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	9 Jun 2015 14:01
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Possible marriage? England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription Print transcription Attach to tree First name(s) John Last name Sutton Name note - Marriage year 1855 Marriage date 21 Nov 1855 Marriage place Saint Nicholas,Liverpool,Lancashire,England Spouse's first name(s) Ann Spouse's last name Sutton Place Liverpool EDIT Possibly not as here it is on ancestry. John is a carter. Both of Soho St. Name: John Sutton Age: Full Age Marriage Date: 21 Nov 1855 Parish: Liverpool, St Nicholas Spouse's Name: Ann Sutton Father's name: John Sutton, farmer Spouse Father's Name: Richard Sutton, farmer Reference Number: 283 NIC/3/50
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	Births Mar 1858 (>99%) Sutton Alice Holland W Derby 8b 353
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	Baptism: 4 Apr 1858 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Alice Holland Sutton - [Child] of John Sutton & Ann Abode: Everton Occupation: Green Grocer Baptised by: J. W. Welsh, Curate Register: Baptisms 1858, Page 206, Entry 1646 Source: LDS Film 1656561
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	1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Wightman Street, West Derby, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Sutton Head - Male 36 1835 - Lancashire, England Transcription John Sutton Son - Male 14 1857 - Lancashire, England Transcription Alice H Sutton Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Lancashire, England Transcription Richard Sutton Son - Male 10 1861 - Lancashire, England Transcription Annie Sutton Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Lancashire, England Transcription Elizabeth Sutton Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Lancashire, England Transcription Amelia Sutton Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Lancashire, England Transcription Williams Sutton Son - Male 1 1870 - Lancashire, England
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	1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 79, Soho Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Sutton Head Married Male 27 1834 Green Grocer - Transcription Ann Sutton Wife Married Female 31 1830 - - Transcription John Sutton Son - Male 4 1857 - - Transcription Allice H Sutton Daughter - Female 3 1858 - - Transcription Richard Sutton Son - Male 0 1861 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Mary Ann McKay Servant - Female 10 1851 Servant Ireland
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 95 Send Message	Maria	Report	9 Jun 2015 13:39
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 95 Send Message	I have been searching for years on Info on a william sutton of Liverpool, I believe I have now found the right family. Is there anyone who is also researching Suttons of Liverpool. My William Sutton was born 1870-1872 son of John sutton B1835 and Ann sutton 1830 not sure of her maiden name. Williams siblings John b1857 Alice H b1858 Married Thomas Smith Richard b 1861 Annie b 1864 Elizabeth B1866 Amelia 1869 William 1870/2 I believe william married a Elizabeth Taylor and Had William b 1894, Daniel Thomas b1896, John 1898, Richard b1900 I think Elizabeth died in 1905 then he married a Catherine Kitty Sutton nee Baker formally Hughes 1910 and had a child John b 1911. Has anyone got any further info form me. Regards Maria

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