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Carol

You must think I'm losing the plot..........probably am!

Was thinking about this while trying to get to sleep..............and I just had to come back to say I realise that I missed out a generation in the latter two paragraphs of my post.

Back to bed now..................

Yes, my mum was given this name. It is (maybe) her father - so my grandfather.

I would think very carefully before attempting to contact any of these people, who are unlikely to be aware of your mother's existence.

I understand that you would wish to have contact with what MAY be relations on your birth father's side, but it is a minefield, to be realistic.

I presume your mother - or someone else - gave you the name of the person reputed to be your biological father

My mum who I suspect was his illegitimate child born before Judith & Stephen, so there is no record as on mum's birth certificate of Philip.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise that would be a problem. If I can find any details I would like to contact one of them directly.

Through which of his children?

You should be working back from yourself...........

There IS a birth for Ian

BUT..........these people are living and may not wish to be discussed on here

Hi Jaqueline, I believe that Judith's father (Philip Holmes) may have been my grandfather.

While there is certainly a marriage for someone named Judith Holmes to Weakford, only by getting a copy of the cert will you know if it's the same Judith

What is your connection..............if any.......to this family?

Thank you so much for this Yvonne Maybe there wasn't an Ian! :-)

Births Sep 1967 (>99%)
WEAKFORD DAVID HOLMES NTHMBLD W 1B 597

ian weakfrd is not listed on bdm

Weakford
mentioned in the record of Weakford and Judith Holmes
Name: Judith Holmes
Event Type: Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1963
Registration District: Northumberland Central
County: Northumberland
Event Place: Northumberland Central, Northumberland, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911): Weakford
Volume: 1B
Page: 377
Line Number: 185

Weakford probably married one of the following people
Name: Graham Weakford

Births Jun 1937 (>99%)
Holmes Stephen P Short Newcastle T. 10b 157

Births Sep 1934 (>99%)
Holmes Judith Short Newcastle T. 10b 234 Scan available - click to view

Hi, following on from this, I think I have established that Philip Holmes & Alice Short had 2 children Judith (born 1934) & Stephen (born 1937). Would somebody be able to confirm for me that Judith married ? Weakford & had 2 children Ian & David? Also did Stephen Holmes marry & have any children? Many thanks. :-)

Thank you all. Wll follow these up.

The probate for Willmot Holmes in 1947 went to Philip Holmes, bank clerk and Arthur Brown, woollen manufacturer

He seems to have left a will

HOLMES PHILIP 25 June 1998 9852011920
Date of Death 29 April 1998 Grant and will Newcastle Upon Tyne

His wife's death

Alice Jane K Holmes
Birth Date: 15 Jan 1902
Date of Registration: Aug 1994
Age at Death: 92
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Register Number: F58C
District and Subdistrict: 0531F
Entry Number: 22

Details of the informant may lead to one of the children of the marriage.

Hi Rootgatherer, yes I think I will have to do that. Many thanks. :-)