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Catherine
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22 Apr 2015 21:43 |
How nice of them to give you a copy of the photo. Good looking chap what a waste.
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MarieCeleste
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23 Apr 2015 00:15 |
That's looking increasingly possible Jude.
Given that we're a volunteer project there's no funding for certificates, etc. but I might just have to dig into my pocket for that death certificate.
Catherine, he does look a decent chap and, according to the parish newsletters of the time, he was a good man. Perhaps there was a reason why the marriage wasn't meant to be? It was a waste of every single life that was lost - that's why we're trying to pay tribute to our local men.
Thanks to everyone.
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Chris Ho :)
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23 Apr 2015 08:21 |
(below might relate also, if you wanted to add to project!, nothing Edith wise to help further though, sorry!)
Chris :)
08 March 1915 - Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette - Sunderland
King’s Colour (the Union Jack), and Captain J. Errington the regimental colour, these two officers being present ...
28 July 1914 - Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette - Sunderland
7th Durham, Lieut.-Colonel K. Yaux, A’.D., D.S.O. (commanding). Major J. 13. Bow’ man, Capt. K. B. Bergne (Adjutant), Capt. H. L. Hoslop (Alcdical Officer). Capts, C. W. Hines, I. M. Warn. W. Priestly, A. F. Farrow, J. Errington, Licpts. M ...”
(if him above, then Errington and Warn names in below article, over next page)
01 May 1915 - Newcastle Journal - Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Tyne and
PRAISE FOR THE DURHAMS. A SHIELDS OFFICER'S EXCITING ADVENTURES. A South Shields officer, connected the 7th Durham Light Infantry, writing home says: "Since Sunday I have had the time of my life, slept in a field on Sunday night after attempting attack, and (Monday)
edits (F M Wawn, with J Errington below)
http://www.mocavo.co.uk/Harts-Annual-Army-List-Special-Reserve-List-and-Territorial-Force-List-for-1912-Volume-Lxxiii/943522/516
(is there a Medal Card for James/ Ancestry?, can see NA one, Wawn one has address with wife, can see James on All UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, index, not other, just wondered, lol)
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MarieCeleste
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23 Apr 2015 10:41 |
Thanks so much for the articles Chris, and the Hart's list - I'll add those to the database.
We do have James' medal card, his medals went to his sister Isabella. The link to the Ancestry record is here http://goo.gl/J4nMnM
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rootgatherer
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23 Apr 2015 11:01 |
Have you ruled out this Edith please?
1891
Edith Matheson Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Daughter (Child) Father's name: Tom Matheson Mother's name: Ether Matheson Gender: Female Where born: Stockton, Durham, England Civil Parish: Monkwearmouth Ecclesiastical parish: St Bede County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Sunderland ED, institution, or vessel: 8a Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4148 Folio: 63 Page Number: 57 Household Members: Name Age Tom Matheson 29 Iron Moulder Ether Matheson 28 Edith Matheson 7 John Matheson 2 Fred Matheson
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Dea
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23 Apr 2015 12:03 |
This appears to be one of the witnesses at Edith's wedding:
1901: Name: Mark Bergman Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation to Head: Member Of Crew (Institutional) Gender: Male Birth Place: Hendon, Sunderland, Durham, England Civil Parish: Vessels Town: Bay Gibraltar County/Island: Royal Navy Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Stoker RN
Condition as to marriage: single View image Registration district: Royal Navy at Sea and in Ports Abroad Sub-registration district: RN Ships ED, institution, or vessel: Prince George Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5330 Folio: 84 Page Number: 29 Household schedule number: 1
The Jewish angle could well be worth following as both his parents were Russian Subjects:
Name: Mark Bergman Record Type: Certificate of Naturalisation - image available on Ancestry
Relation to Head: Head Age: 29 Birth Date: abt 1876 Birth Place: Wearnoszow, kalish Gubernia Event Date: 10 Jan 1905 Event Country Region: United Kingdom Residence Year: 1905 Residence Place: Heaton, Newcastle on Tyne Father Name: Hirsch Bergnman Mother Name: Toba Bergman
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safc
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23 Apr 2015 12:05 |
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 2 Mowbray Road Sunderland, Sunderland, Durham, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Margaret Errington Head Widow Female 61 1850 Hedleden Durham Shopkeeper- Fruiterer Transcription Mary Errington Daughter Single Female 34 1877 Easongton Durham Assisting In Business Transcription Edith Margaret Errington Daughter Single Female 23 1888 Easington Durham Council School Teacher Transcription Charles Alfred Errington Son Single Male 28 1883 Easington Durham Shipbuilders Clerk Transcription Walter Errington Adopted Son Single Male 7 1904 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland -
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safc
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23 Apr 2015 12:08 |
Births Sep 1903 (>99%) Errington Walter Newcastle T. 10b 56
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rootgatherer
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23 Apr 2015 12:22 |
Edita Mathinson Birth Year: abt 1884 Marriage or Bann Date: 4 Sep 1935 Parish: Kirkheaton, St John the Baptist Father's name: Tom Mathinson, <<<<<COMMERCIAL TRAVELLER Spouse's Name: John Richard Broadbert Spouse's Father's Name: Lewis Broadbent
Edith is a 51 year old Spinster of 89 Dalingreen(?) Lane. One of the witnesses was Laura Mallinson (maybe Mathinson?)
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rootgatherer
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23 Apr 2015 12:26 |
Sorry, should have said image is on Ancestry if someone else wants to have a look at it. :-)
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Dea
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23 Apr 2015 12:40 |
That looks good rootgatherer - I will go and take a look.
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Dea
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23 Apr 2015 13:02 |
I have a feeling that marriage is for this Edith:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 6, Highro Yard Square, Dalton, Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Mallinson Head Widow Female 40 1861 - Yorkshire, England Laura Mallinson Daughter Single Female 28 1873 Tailoress Finisher Yorkshire, England Edith Mallinson Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Tailoress Machine Yorkshire, England Hellen Mallinson Daughter Single Female 14 1887 Tailoress Machine Yorkshire, England E W W Mallinson Son Single Male 9 1892
She has a sister Laura who could well be the witness and the marriage cert certainly looks to be MALLINSON to me. :-(
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Jacqueline
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23 Apr 2015 13:04 |
Edith said she was 23 when she married in 1908, and did not give a second forename
Her father, Thomas, was said to be a Commercial Traveller
If her husband abandoned her, she may well have reverted to her maiden name
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greyghost
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23 Apr 2015 13:05 |
The 1935 ancestry image looks like an "original" - the M's are all different. If that's correct then it looks to me as though Edith signed as Mallinson and so did Laura.
The 1908 certificate looks as though it has all been completed in one hand, all as Matheson. Would it be worth looking at the original of that to see if there was a mistake and perhaps to compare Edith's signatures (although 27 is years have passed.)
Very co-incidental that the Father is Tom and he is/was a Commercial Traveller on both.
By comparing the original signatures of my great aunt's husband's bigamous 2nd marriage, I am sure he was one and the same person, despite having moved a couple of counties over and adding an R (Bicker/Bricker) to his name, which had disappeared by the 1911 census - when great aunt thought he was in Canada, as the story went!
Edit - have just seen Dea's 1901 census find for ?the Edith Mallinson of 1935
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rootgatherer
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23 Apr 2015 13:10 |
Was a bit of a long shot. I think the Laura probably proves that it is the wrong Edith although there is a Tom and Esther who have a daughter Edith born 1884.
Back to the drawing board :-(
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Dea
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23 Apr 2015 13:16 |
Yep - It is the correct family for that marriage:
Name: Edith Mallinson Birth Date: 29 Aug 1884 Parish: Moldgreen, Christ Church Baptism Date: 12 Oct 1884 Father's name: Tom Mallinson - Clerk Mother's name: Mary Mallinson Cancel
Charles William Mallinson................................ E W W on above census ! Birth Date: 21 Apr 1893 Parish: Moldgreen, Christ Church Baptism Date: 12 Mar 1893 Father's name: Tom Mallinson - Commercial Traveller ( as on 'that' Edith's 1935 marriage cert) Mother's name: Mary Mallinson
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Jacqueline
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23 Apr 2015 13:21 |
Laura in 1901 could not be Mary's daughter, unless one of their ages is wrong
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Jacqueline
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23 Apr 2015 13:25 |
It seems increasingly likely that the info on the 1908 marriage is inaccurate, and that the surname has been mis-heard, or perhaps even deliberately given incorrectly.
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Jacqueline
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23 Apr 2015 13:26 |
First name(s) Edith Last name Mallinson Gender Female Birth year 1884 Birth place Mold-Green, York, England Baptism year - Residence York, England Place - County Yorkshire Country England Father's first name(s) Tom Father's last name Mallinson Mother's first name(s) Mary Mother's last name Mallinson
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MarieCeleste
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23 Apr 2015 13:46 |
Hello all, thank you.
Rootgatherer - I think that the Edith in 1891 is a strong contender, I posted that census on the first page. Although the father's occupation as per the census doesn't fit, it could have changed .......
Jacqueline - I'm not sure why, but I think if there was any abandoning done then it was by Edith and not by James. Just my gut reaction. I know he lied about his marital status on the 1911 census but he may have had reason to think the marriage was over and done with (although obviously not) or was just in denial. He was well known locally and Edith could have easily found him - they married in Tynemouth so she would have some acquaintance with the area.
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