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Name: Mary A Hoard
Birth Date: abt 1845
Date of Registration: Jun 1925
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Wellington
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 876


Not seeing a death for a Margaret Hoard

Looking at the 1911 posted by Shirley for Margaret
Occupation given of cook

She has put down 45 years married, 4 children born and 2 still alive

Hannah's return to UK,listed as Annie? She's a nurse as she was on arrival in US. She;s heading to 51 Norton Lane, Wellington, Shropshire. Listed as tourist.

Annie Gwynne

in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
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Name: Annie Gwynne
Birth Date: abt 1871
Age: 63
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 6 Aug 1934
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Montcalm
Search Ship Database: Search for the Montcalm in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 145903

All this barking up possible wrong trees has given me a sore throat so off out to do some shopping

Will wait for any feedback from the poster as they must have more info than they have given in their request.

Also would be interested to see if they do confirm the dates

Went backwards and forwards to USA

Name: Hannah Gwynne occ nurse
Gender: Female
Age: 55
Birth Date: abt 1870
Departure Date: 15 Sep 1925
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Leviathan
Search Ship Database: Search for the Leviathan in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: United States Lines
Master: Captain H Hartley

Home address 19 leegomerry,salop

Name: Annie Gwynne occ. nurse
Birth Date: abt 1874
Age: 34
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 28 Apr 1908
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Ship Name: Mauretania
Search Ship Database: Search for the Mauretania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 124093

I think this is Hannah/Annie in 1910. She's a nurse, a widow, has been married 18 years, had 2 children, 1 still living, had arrived USA 1908.

Annie Gwinnie

in the 1910 United States Federal Census

Name: Annie Gwinnie
[Annie Gwinne]
Age in 1910: 40
Birth Year: abt 1870
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Charlotte Ward 8, Mecklenburg, North Carolina
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1908
Relation to Head of House: Servant
Marital Status: Married
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter S Gilchrist 46
Ethel Gilchrist 34
Stewart J W Gilchrist 16
Cecil W Gilchrist 10
Edith M Gilchrist 5
Peter S Gilchrist 2
Annie Gwinnie 40
Guss Duan 20

On her arrival in US in 1908 she states that she had previously been there from 1898-1908.

Looks like her in 1900 with a different family. She says she has 2 children, both still living.

Annie Gwynne

in the 1900 United States Federal Census

Name: Annie Gwynne
[Annie Iwynne]
Age: 27
Birth Date: Feb 1873
Birthplace: England
Home in 1900: Charleston Ward 2, Charleston, South Carolina
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1897
Relation to Head of House: Nurse
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Mother: number of living children: 2
Mother: How many children: 2
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
W Hampton Perry 47
Florence C Perry 39
Florence H Perry 4
John H C Perry 2
Annie Gwynne 27

Shropshire marriages Transcription

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First name(s) Joseph Swanick
Last name Ord
Birth year 1844
Marriage year 1865
Marriage date 06 Nov 1865
Marriage place Wellington, Christ Church
Denomination Anglican
Residence Ketley Sands
Age 21
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Ord
Spouse's first name(s) Margaret Ann
Spouse's last name Prichard
Spouse's residence Ketley Sands
Spouse's age 22
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Prichard
County Shropshire
Register date range 1859-1877
Archive reference P292/A/2/2
Page 69
Register type Marriage
Record set Shropshire marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

© DC Thomson Family History

Hello Chandrika and welcome to the Community boards.


(I'll let Chandrika know how to find these replies) :-)

PM received from Jemma

"Thank you
yes I made a drastic error. Joseph was born C1844 not 1884."




The helpers on this site. who are other members just like you, have posted a lot of information on your request but we have no idea if any of it is correct or not as you have obviously read the thread.

Would like to know if you have the 1865 marriage cert of Joseph and Margaret to find out the name and occupation of his father and who the witnesses are.


Maureen

Shropshire marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Margaret Ann
Last name Prichard (Spinster)
Birth year 1843
Marriage year 1865
Marriage date 06 Nov 1865
Marriage place Wellington, Christ Church
Denomination Anglican
Residence Ketley Sands
Age 22
Father's first name(s) William (occ. Bricklayer)
Father's last name Prichard
Spouse's first name(s) Joseph Swanick
Spouse's last name Ord (Bachelor)
Spouse's residence Ketley Sands
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's father's first name(s) William (occ. Labourer)
Spouse's father's last name Ord

(wits. Jabes Armstrong, Sarah Ord)

Chris :)


Births Mar 1844 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------
ORD Joseph Wem &c. 18 228

(a possible)

edits (no, just seen below, from GB)

Name: Joseph Swanwick Hore
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 20 Nov 1842
Christening Place: WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Hore
Mother's Name: Susannah


(and from Find My Past)

Shropshire baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Joseph Swanwick
Last name Hore
Baptism year 1842
Baptism date 20 Nov 1842
Denomination Anglican
Place Wellington, All Saints
Father's first name(s) William (occ. Labourer)
Mother's first name(s) Susannah

(Abode, Watling Street)


Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Armstrong Jabez Wellington Sh. 6a 1567
Ord Sarah Wellington, Sh 6a 1567

(probably Witnesses from Joseph Marriage)

(yes, image on FMP, Joseph Swanick Ord, Margaret Ann, as witnesses, William Ord as Father, occ. Labourer, her age 21)


1851 (Find My Past, also posted by GB earlier)
William Hore Head Widower Male 56 1795 Higgler Ketley, Shropshire, England
Louisa Hore Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 Housekeeper Shropshire, England
Allen Hore Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Waiter In Liqour Shop Shropshire, England
Hannah Hore Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1840 Higglers Dau Shropshire, England
Joseph Hore Son Unmarried Male 9 1842 Scholar Shropshire, England
Sarah Hore Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 Scholar Shropshire, England
Ellen Hore Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1846 Shropshire, England
Street Watling Street
Parish Wellington
County Shropshire
Registration district Wellington
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1997
Folio 458
Page 20

Burial (Find My Past)
Hoare Susanna 1800 1850 Shropshire burials Wellington, Christ Church (Abode, Watling Street. March 24th)


(other Baptisms available FMP, probably other Records relating also)

Hor Susanna 1836 Shropshire baptisms Wellington, All Saints, Shropshire, England

Hore Allen Swannick 1838 Shropshire baptisms Wellington, All Saints, Shropshire, England

Hore Eleanor 1846 Shropshire baptisms Wellington, All Saints, Shropshire, England

Hore Sarah 1844 Shropshire baptisms Wellington, All Saints, Shropshire, England

Thank you for the speedy replies. I will answer your questions as I read through.

Jemma

Jemma

You pm,d me saying you do not have e any certs at the moment so will have to get them

You should reply on the thread rather than contact individuals by sending them a message .

Other folks who are helping can't see any replies you make by PM

Thanks :-)

Had two pm's this morning

Joseph Swanick Ord born c1844 died c1902 The marriage date of 1865 makes sense as he would have been about 21 yrs.


I sort of have marriage cert. only a copy off the internet. It gives William Ord as the father.

aha, I clicked on the thread wondering whether this would turn out to be one of the Hoar/Hoare/Hore hoard, and sure enough there it is :-) --

Name: Joseph Swanwick Hore
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 20 Nov 1842
Christening Place: WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Hore
Mother's Name: Susannah

so the surname was really HORE

it was very common for people with this name to change it because of its connotations (imagine my glee when I informed my mum that her ancestor was a Hoar) ... whether they made it so the spelling matched the dropped 'h' (Orr) or by adding a 'd' at the end (Hoard) ... or in the case of 'Ord', both ... and, elsewhere than Devon/Cornwall it sometimes became 'Hawe' and variants I believe

this was more common among emigrants to places where the 'h' was less likely to get dropped and their name was being pronounced 'Hore' :-)


from the 1851 census, Joseph's father William HORE was born in Ketley, Shropshire, so this family is likely not related to the Cornwall or Devon Hoar/Hoare/Hores (my line is Cornwall)

but you can probably still assume that the name was originally Hore

Hannah first went to the States C1898 and returned C1903, 1908 dates only approx. she returned to England after 40 years as Nanny to the Gilchrist family. She appears on the 1910 US census. These three times she entered the states on HMS Campania through Ellis Island. (Don't have any other records on that.
Her husband Thomas Jones had been adopted by the Gwynne family on his mother's (Rosannah Jones) marriage to Francis Gwynne. Thomas died from Acute Endopericarditus 2 years after his marriage.
They had three children Mabel (b1893, d1904 aged 11); Harold (d1915 killed at the battle of Ypres WWI aged 21); Evelyn (died soon after birth).
As for Joseph Ord I find him on the 1871,81,91, and 1901 census. I have a copy of his marriage cert., 6th November, 1865, which lists William Ord as his father. One of the witnesses was a Sarah Ord, Sister or mother I don't know.

I cannot find any trace so far of William Ord.

Jemma have you read the information in the thread? it can be confusing when it is just copied and pasted records, but you need to read each one and see how they fit together

(maybe you had not seen page 2 when you typed your reply, that often happens)


this one in particular which I recopied above

Name: Joseph Swanwick HORE
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 20 Nov 1842
Christening Place: WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Hore
Mother's Name: Susannah


it seems that Joseph's real name at birth, and his father's name, was HORE (or another spelling of it: Hoar, Hoare)

the 1851 census says

William HORE 56 born 1795 in Ketley, Shropshire
Joseph HORE 9 born 1842 in Shropshire, England


and see also the burial record Chris posted

HOARE Susanna, March 24th 1850, Wellington, Christ Church
abode was Watling Street
age was 50

... that is the address where the widowed William HORE was living with the children including your Joseph, in 1851


none of the children's births, or Susanna's death, seems to have been registered under any surname

could this be William's death?

Deaths Dec 1872
HOARE William 83 Wellington, Sh. 6a 507



'Ord' is most likely a phonetic spelling of the name when it was changed from HORE to HOARD because people didn't like being called 'Hore' even though the 'h' was silent -- Hoard is the more common new spelling when that happens

Two different people have corrected the record for the HORE/ORD family in the 1841 census at Ancestry


Name: William Dour [William Hore] [William Ord]
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Wellington
Hundred: South Bradford (Wellington Division)
County/Island: Shropshire
Registration district: Wellington

William 45 groom
Susanna 40
Louisa 8
Susannah 16
Allen 3
Hannah 1


the image actually reads HOAR quite clearly

in 2007 someone corrected it to Hore and said 'maybe relative'

in 2014 someone corrected it to Ord and said it was a variation

you can try to contact those people through the Ancestry system