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William Neal- prisoner?

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Jan 2015 03:35

In 1891, William's birth place is shown as Newbald Verdon, Leicestershire


ancestry shows the spelling should be Newbold Verdon

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 25 Jan 2015 03:34

I would suspect that even if that is Sarah in Nottinghamshire in 1911 and she has reported she is a widow, the 1912 death is George


quite possibly Sarah does know all about Sarah and the children and even George after 1901 though !

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Jan 2015 03:25

Name: Emma Neal
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Mansfield
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 103
Records on Page:
Name

George Albert Hardstaff
Emma Neal




1911 Census

Name: Emma Hardstaff
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Skegby, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Mansfield
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Brick Kiln Lane Mansfield
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farmer's Labourer (Cowman)
Registration district: Mansfield
Registration District Number: 428
Sub-registration district: Mansfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 20346

Geo Alb Hardstaff 25 b.ca 1886, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire <<<< he's the Farmer's Labourer (Cowman)
Emma Hardstaff 22
Sarah Ann Hardstaff 2




the information re occupation had been written on the wrong line, but does apply to George




I looked for the children hoping to find either Sarah or William

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Jan 2015 01:43

I found Emma by finding a Public tree on ancestry, and then following Emma ...... they had the 1911 Census, and the marriage.


Everything did fit!!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Jan 2015 01:41

Emma was married by 1911


so that probably is Sarah!

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 25 Jan 2015 01:40

I couldn't even find Emma ... not my night! :-(

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Jan 2015 01:39

Joonie.................

I couldn't find her under her name ................ I found Emma :-)

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 25 Jan 2015 01:33

oops, I was still hunting w/o refreshing and edited to stick the 1891 in mine

how the heck I didn't find the 1901 I don't know ... ah yes, there she is, looking very young for her age :-)


is she even younger in 1911?

Name: Sarah Ann Neal
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Worksop
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 46 Central Avenue Worksop
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Housekeeper Domestic
Registration district: Worksop

just a guess, Sarah likely knows where she was

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Jan 2015 01:27

just for our information .................


1891 Census

Name: Sarah Ann Neal
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Neal
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Skegby
Ecclesiastical parish: Skegby
Town: Skegby
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Mansfield
Sub registration district: Sutton in Ashfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 12

Piece: 2653
Folio: 91
Page Number: 68

William Neal 47
Sarah Ann Neal 37
John Wm Neal 12 b.ca 1879, Birmingham
William Neal 10 b.ca 1881, Birmingham
Florence Neal 7 b.ca 1884, Birmingham
James Neal 5 b.ca 1886, Skegby
Emma Neal 2 b.ca 1889, Skegby




1901 Census

Name: Sarah A Neal
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 54

Piece: 2838
Folio: 65
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 120

Sarah A Neal 43
James Neal 16
Emma Neal 13
Mary J Fox 40 Sister, Widow
Willie Fox 12 son of Mary J Fox
James Fox 9 son of Mary J Fox



The address is LECK Street

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 25 Jan 2015 01:07

since he was in prison in Birmingham I wonder whether this is his death

Deaths Sep 1912
NEAL William 70 Birmingham 6d 211

perfect match for age

Births Dec 1840
Neal William Market Bosworth 15 167

not seeing him in 1911 though


why can't I find Sarah and the children in 1901? wanted to look for Sarah in 1911 but don't have her details

ah, 1891

Name: Sarah Ann Neal
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Neal
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Skegby

William Neal 47
Sarah Ann Neal 37
John Wm Neal 12
William Neal 10
Florence Neal 7
James Neal 5
Emma Neal 2

but absolutely no luck in 1901

Gee

Gee Report 24 Jan 2015 15:27

Hi

This looks promising

1901

Name:William Neal

Age:60

Estimated birth year:abt 1841

Relation to Head:Prisoner

Gender:Male

Birth Place:Market Bosworth, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish:Birmingham

Ecclesiastical parish:All Saints

County/Island:Warwickshire

Registration district:Birmingham

Sub-registration district:All Saints

ED, institution, or vessel:His Majestys Prison

Piece:2853

Folio:156

Page Number:9

Household schedule number:1

sarah

sarah Report 24 Jan 2015 14:43

My Great Great Great Grandad William Neal was born in Newbold Verny, Leics.
He was a coalminer and Married to Sarah Anne Neal.
Sarah came from Birmingham.
He is on the 1891 census and is living at 132 Stanton Hill, Skegy which is Nottinghamshire i think.

However, on the 1901 census, Sarah and all the children have returned to Birmingham living on Leek Street (or Lex street) we cant read the writing.. He isnt on the Census however.

The story is that he went to prison but we dont know what for, where , why etc or what happened to him.

Someone told us that he went to Prison in Birmingham.
Can any one help please