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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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14 Jan 2015 19:12 |
There are five pages..I'll pm it! It does say on page 5 that intended place of residence was St Martins Nottinghamshire (I think)
Jude
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JoonieCloonie
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14 Jan 2015 19:06 |
that looks like him !!
can you see the image ? and tell us what info it has ?
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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14 Jan 2015 19:03 |
This one
First name(s) HENRY Last name BROWN Birth year 1832 Birth parish ALL SAINTS Birth town NOTTINGHAM Birth county NOTTINGHAMSHIRE Birth country ENGLAND Service number 90 Rank PRIVATE Regiment Northamptonshire Regiment - 48th & 58th Foot Document Type Discharge Attestation year 1857 Attestation Day 12 Attestation Month 12 Attestation age years 25 Attestation age months 4 Discharge Corps 48TH REG OF FOOT Discharge service number 90 Series chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913 Box 1538 Box Record Number 39 Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Record collection Regimental & service records Collections from Great Britain
There is an image...was in Calcutta in 1864
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JoonieCloonie
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14 Jan 2015 19:00 |
so the 1874 isn't him ... he was in the 48th regiment and was married and settled by 1871 anyhow ...
(Yvonne, look carefully at possible records ... you see why that one isn't him)
it was worth a try !
Aha, here is one you could may be look at ?
using '48th' as a keyword now that we have it
Henry Brown born 1832, event 1857, British Army Service Records 1760-1915 All Saints, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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Yvonne
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14 Jan 2015 18:59 |
This certainly looks like him. This man seems to be all over the place, no wonder I can't find him. Thanks so much..
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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14 Jan 2015 18:51 |
I have FMP membership...1861 was based in New Zealand, 1871 in Chatham,
This is the transcript of the 1874 (only one with an image)
First name(s) Henry Last name Crow Birth year - Birth parish - Birth town - Birth county - Service number - Rank - Regiment York and Lancaster Regiment - 65th & 84th Foot Attestation year 1874 Attestation day 22 Attestation month June Attestation age years - Attestation age months - Attestation corps - Discharge corps York and Lancaster Regiment - 65th & 84th Foot Document type Discharge Series WO121 Box 0226 Box record number - Dataset title Chelsea Pensioners discharge documents 1760-1887 Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Record collection Regimental & service records Collections from Great Britain
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Yvonne
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14 Jan 2015 18:46 |
Thanks ... just had another look and can definitely see that Greyghost is correct. I guess I was looking at the K and thinking it was part of the last word ... I now see the light.
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JoonieCloonie
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14 Jan 2015 18:46 |
for the Ancestry user, go to the 1911 entry for
Name: Nenry Brow [Henry Crow]
click on the 'Henry Crow'
and you wil see the notes left by the user
click on the user's name in the notes and it will take you to their profile page
in the upper right of that page is a button 'Contact' the user
... for some reason it isn't working right now at ancestry.co.uk
try logging in to ancestry.com and it should work there
I see the problem, Ancestry itself has the URL wrong for the user's profile
here it is, you can just go directly
http://community.ancestry.co.uk/profile.aspx?mba=0190455D-0002-0000-0000-000000000000
and click the contact button to send a message
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JoonieCloonie
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14 Jan 2015 18:40 |
Yvonne, see greyghost's post
it is definitely
out pens'r
Out Pensioner, meaning on a pension from the army
this is what greyghost quoted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_pensioner
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Yvonne
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14 Jan 2015 18:36 |
I've been trying to decipher the occupation in the 1871 entry ... do you think it could be ... trouper.
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JoonieCloonie
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14 Jan 2015 18:34 |
greyghost -- definitely yes
out pens'r
exactly as you say, a Chelsea Pensioner not living in residence at Chelsea Hosp
funny how easy it is to see once someone else has :-)
rootgatherer, without any date or place it's hard to say, but he consistently said he was born in Leicestershire
he would more likely have ended up in the navy himself if he was at that school
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Hospital_School#History
being in the navy would have made him a Greenwich Pensioner rather than a Chelsea Pensioner which is army ... 'out pensioner' could refer to either one, but his miitary service is specified as army in the 1871 census
searching at family search there are numerous records for the name Henry Crow in the merchant navy in the 1850s but none shows as born in Leicestershire
I wouldn't order any military records until you have a marriage certificate to see whether he named his father and gave his occupation
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Yvonne
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14 Jan 2015 18:24 |
JoonieCloonie, how would I find the Ancestry user you mention? I' do have a subscription but I can't eem to find it.
Thanks.
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Yvonne
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14 Jan 2015 18:11 |
Thanks again ... certainly lots of food for thought. I've sent off an email to the family member to see if they have any more info and also to see if the info you gave me sparks any more memories. I think I'll also send off for a copy of the hospital record. Thanks.
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rootgatherer
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14 Jan 2015 17:17 |
I wonder if this refers to your Henry.
(From The National Archives)
Henry Crow. When admitted to Greenwich Hospital School: Not Stated. Parents' names:... Ordering and viewing options This record has not been digitised and cannot be downloaded. Request a quotation for a copy to be digitised or printed and sent to you.
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View free at The National Archives Reference: ADM 73/206/58 Description: Henry Crow. When admitted to Greenwich Hospital School: Not Stated. Parents' names: James and Sarah Crow. Date: 1728-1870 Held by: The National Archives, Kew Legal status: Public Record Language: English Physical description: 1 document(s)
All departments ADM - Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies Records of Royal Greenwich Hospital, and the Chatham Chest ADM 73 - Admiralty: Royal Greenwich Hospital: Pensioners and School Admission Papers, Out Pensions Pay Books and Miscellaneous Registers School Admission papers ADM 73/206 - Croo - Cul. (Described at item level) ADM 73/206/58 - Henry Crow. When admitted to Greenwich Hospital School: Not Stated. Parents' names:...
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greyghost
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14 Jan 2015 16:50 |
Could it read ----- pens r (something pensioner)?
EDIT - Out Pensioner ? - so a Chelsea Pensioner but living "out"
A Chelsea pensioner is an in-pensioner at the Royal Hospital Chelsea, a retirement home and nursing home for former members of the British Army located in Chelsea, London. Historically, however, the phrase applied more widely, referring to both in-pensioners and out-pensioners.
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JoonieCloonie
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14 Jan 2015 15:40 |
found him in 1871!
Name: Henry Crews Age: 46 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Maria Crews Gender: Male Where born: Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Basford County/Island: Nottinghamshire Registration district: Basford Henry Crews 46 Maria Crews 34 stitcher born Basford
The image does seem to say Crews, but that is them
and his occupation is
F.W.K. (framework knitter, very very common occupation in that area) >>> [??] 48th Regiment
if anybody can read the [??] -- it looks like ___keeper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/48th_%28Northamptonshire%29_Regiment_of_Foot "The 48th (Northamptonshire) Regiment of Foot was a regiment of the British Army. ... In 1856 the Regiment went to the Crimean War, and saw action at the Siege of Sevastopol."
Good thought rootgatherer :-)
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JoonieCloonie
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14 Jan 2015 15:21 |
rootgatherer the Crimean War is also possible as that was 1854, and someone not completely familiar with 19th century history might well confuse the names of the two famous campaigns.
Yvonne I would get hold of his marriage certificates to find out his father's name and occupation, and what age and occupation he gave for himself.
I'm not seeing a Henry Crow or Crowe in 1841 or 1851 or 1861 to fit him, and knowing his father's name could help find him in the earliest censuses.
I'm actually wondering whether he might have been Henry Brown and changed his name to Crow(e) rather than the other way around.
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rootgatherer
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14 Jan 2015 12:05 |
Could it have been the Crimean war that he served in?
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Yvonne
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14 Jan 2015 05:18 |
Thanks so much for all this info. I'm sorry I don't know any more than I've already passed on, except that he did have a daughter, Maria, and probably came from Nottingham. There was also someone called Rose mentioned so it seems as though you've hit on the right family. I'm going to go through all this info now - thanks so much. Sorry I was so long getting back but we went to the movies, saw The Immitation Games, a great movie. Thanks again.
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JoonieCloonie
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14 Jan 2015 03:06 |
here they are in 1891 in Basford
Name: Henry Crow Age: 56 Estimated birth year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emily Crow Gender: Male Occupation: Watchman Where born: Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Basford
Henry Crow 56 Emily Crow 32 William Crow 9 it says Hickling not Crow Maria Crow 1
so I wonder whether his military service was in the First Anglo-Boer War in 1880 ... or maybe even just before that in India or Afghanistan ...
at findmypast there are 3 Henry Crow records in the right era, 1861, 1871 and 1874
I don't have a subscription but maybe you or someone else could have a look
but this seems to be him in 1881 with a first wife (for whom his daughter Maria 1889 was named I would guess)
Name: Henry Crow Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Maria Crow Gender: Male Where born: Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Basford County/Island: Nottinghamshire Occupation: Gardener Registration district: Basford
Henry Crow 48 Maria Crow 40 George Boley 28 lodger
Marriages Dec 1866 Allcock Maria Basford 7b 178 CROWE Henry Basford 7b 178
Deaths Mar 1884 CROW Maria 47 Basford 7b 102
I can't see Henry or his first wife in 1871 or second wife in 1901
I guess anything more you can tell would help !
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