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First name(s) HENRY
Last name BROWN
Birth year 1832
Birth parish ALL SAINTS
Birth town NOTTINGHAM
Birth county NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 90
Rank PRIVATE
Regiment Northamptonshire Regiment - 48th & 58th Foot
Document Type Discharge
Attestation year 1857
Attestation Day 12
Attestation Month 12
Attestation age years 25
Attestation age months 4
Discharge Corps 48TH REG OF FOOT
Discharge service number 90
Series chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 1538
Box Record Number 39
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

There is an image...was in Calcutta in 1864

that looks like him !!

can you see the image ? and tell us what info it has ?

There are five pages..I'll pm it! It does say on page 5 that intended place of residence was St Martins Nottinghamshire (I think)

Jude

that's great, did you send them to Yvonne ?

the discharge paper is the one I was after, for Henry Brown
(I only got one page of that)

(the other one, the list of names, is for a Henry Crow, bottom of the page, in 1873, that doesn't seem to be him)


I desperately have to finish some work, will have a good look late tonight !

... now we just need somebody to decipher all those notations on the first one ...

it does say St Martins Parish Nottingham


and of course the question is

was our Henry Crow, Henry Brown ?

Ah bummer....no I hadn't sent to Yvonne yet....on FMP there is an arrow but it looks like I'll have to download each page separately!

Will do and will send to both of you :-)

on a quck skim ... the second page says


Private from 12 Dec 1857 to 16 Jany 1860 - 2 years 36 days
Confessed himself a deserter from the 82 Regt
and ordered to serve in the 48 Regiment
by authority of [?] India dated
[?]
Deduct(?) forfeited by Desertion
Private 17 Jany 1860 20 Nov 1864 - 4 years 319 days
[name / signature ?] 1 October 1863
Allowed to reckon Service prior to desertion


discharge was medical for greatly enlarged spleen


so it is matching up with the family story

he could have served in Crimea, before 1857, deserted, signed back up

The Crimean War was 1853-1856

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War


I can't find a good history of the 82nd on line but someone provided this at RootsChat

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163023.0

82nd Regiment of Foot
redesignated upon disbandment of 2nd Battalion
1816 Ireland
1819 Mauritius
1831 England
1834 Ireland
1837 Gibraltar
1839 West Indies
1843 Canada
1847 Nova Scotia
1848 England
1855 Ionian Islands
>> 1855 Crimea
1856 England
1857.02 at sea
1857 Singapore
1857.07 India: Calcutta
1857 Sepoy rebellion
1869 Aden
1870.02.12 England
1875 Ireland
1880 England



but what of Brown/Crow ........

I looked at the pm before reading these replies - thank you. I will sit down and try to decipher the pages ... they really did have dreadful handwriting. I'm also waiting for a reply from the family to see if they can shed any further light on this.
Thanks.

I have been looking very carefully at all of these records and have had a little input back from the family.

An aunt, now deceased, apparently told them the story of Henry being in the Boer War and deserting and changing his name to Henry Brown. She also told them that Henry was born in 1825. Apparently, there was also a certificate from the Royal Hospital Chelsea which read as follows:

Chelsea No. 65848
This is to certify that Henry Brown late of the 48th Regiment of Foot was admitted as an Out-Pensioner of her Manesty's Royal Hospital at Chelsea on 13 June 1865 and receives a pensiom of 6d per diem. Age at this time 36.

The document is signed on 15 Mar 1870 by George ? (indecipherable), Secretary and Registrar of Royal Hospital, Chelsea.

This fits with info that you wonderful Genes people have provided. It seems to be impossible to pin down his birth year. In each of the censuses - 1871 (1831), 1881 (1833), 1891 (1835), 1901 (1831) and 1911 (1829) - the birth years are different but none as early as 1825. I can't find any reference to Henry in the censuses before 1871. I even tried using James and Sarah as the parents, as mentioned earlier in this thread but still came up blank.

I'm waiting on the National Archives to get copies of the medical document that someone found so hopefully I'll get something from that.

Also, I think he married Maria Allcock in 1866 and she died in 1884 ... there doesn't seem to have been any children from that marriage which seems strange. He then went on to marry Emily Hickling in 1886.

Can anyone see if they can find him in the earlier censuses, I'd be so grateful.

Thanks.

if this record is him as quoted above

Private 17 Jany 1860 20 Nov 1864 - 4 years 319 days

then in the 1861 census he would have been in the military and I believe he would not show in the records that are available on line if he was overseas


have you obtained a marriage certificate to see the name and occupation he gave for his father?

if he was born c1825, there is a reasonable chance he would be with a parent in the 1841 census

I think we have been able to discount the record of the person with James and Sarah so there seems to be no point looking for him in censuses with those parents

the marriage certificate is pretty essential

was Henry actually married first even earlier?

Marriages Sep 1853
Burton Mary Basford 7b 123
CROWE Henry Basford 7b 123


1861

Name: Mary Crow
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: 1834
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Basford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Basford

Mary Crow 27 married, occupation SOLDIER'S WIFE
Sarah Ann Crow 4
William S Crow 1
Joseph Stenson 46


which fits with his military dates and apparent absence from the 1861 census


Deaths Dec 1864
Crow Mary Basford 7b 72


please put us out of our misery and get these marriage certificates :-)

It does seem that the marriage certificate is the next step.
I must admit I hadn't thought of an earlier marriage but when I look at the dates then it is possible. If he married Maria Allcock in 1866 that would make him in his 30's if we take 1830 as his birth date and I guess that's late for a first marriage in those days. I'll have to look at this a bit more.
Thanks for your help.

Shame they didn't add all the details on the Transcription
First name(s) Henry
Last name Crowe
Marriage year 1853
Marriage date 14 Aug 1853
Marriage place Basford
Church St Leodegarius
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Burton
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Record set Nottinghamshire marriages, 1528-1929
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
Nottinghamshire Family History Society
First name(s) Henry
Last name Crowe
Marriage year 1866
Marriage date 25 Dec 1866
Marriage place Bulwell
Church St Mary the Virgin and All Souls
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) Maria
Spouse's last name Allcock
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Record set Nottinghamshire marriages, 1528-1929
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
Nottinghamshire Family History Society

Is Henry your own ancestor? If so, you may have some cousins :-)

1871

Name: William Crow
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

Name: Joseph Crow
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Basford and Bulwell
Town: Basford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Basford
ED, institution, or vessel: Basford Union Workhouse


Births Jun 1857
Crow Sarah Ann Basford 7b 127

Births Jun 1860
CROW William Stenson Basford 7b 122

Births Jun 1862
CROW Joseph Basford 7b 133


1891

Name: Sarah A Crow
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Servant (Employee)
Where born: Basford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Registration district: Nottingham


Marriages Mar 1894 ?
Bellamy James Basford 7b 306
Binks John Basford 7b 306
Brownlow Phoebe Basford 7b 306
CROW Sarah Ann Basford 7b 306


1911

Name: Sarah Ann Binks
Age in 1911: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Wife
Birth Place: Basford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Street address: 1 Pearson Street Basford Notts
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Nottingham
John Binks 51
Sarah Ann Binks 54
John William Binks 17


In 1871 an Ancestry user has corrected Sarah A Crowe's date of birth to 1857 from 1852


a tree search here shows

Sarah Crowe 1858 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Sarah Crow 1857 Basford, Notts
Sarah Crow 1857 Basford, Nottingham

Joseph Crow (Stenson) 1862 Basford, Nottinghamshire
Joseph Crowe Stenson 1862 Basford Notts
Joseph Stenson 1863 Basford, Nottinghamshire
Joseph Stenson 1861 Old Basford


so there's a little mystery ... perhaps not sons of Henry, who was away in the military?

Joseph may appear in censuses after 1871 as Stenson

ditto William ... in 1891 an Ancestry user (seems to be one of the people who has Sarah Crow in their tree at this site) has corrected the name from stimson to Stenson

Thanks Joonie. Henry is my sister-in-law's family so I'll have to take a good look at this info. She might be very happy to have some cousins!

Thanks.

Have you seen this thread?

You may find your Marriages there

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1266434

I was going to suggest that too jax !

Yvonne if you give Wendy the link to this thread so things don't get duplicated she may be able to find the marriage details for you.

Thanks Jax and Joonie. How do I give Wendy the thread - not too well up on technology.

I dunnit for you Yvonne :-)

have a look on this page

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1266434?page=26

Thanks so much Joonie. Fingers crossed Wendy can help.

Hi All,

Wendy here, I can look up the first 2 marriages for you but the last one to Emily Hickling is not on my disc, it may be a Register Office marriage and if so you will need to buy the certificate then, but let me check at the archives first.

Wendy